No that's agnostic. An atheist doesn't believe in God and doesn't require evidence to support that belief. Agnostic are ones that don't believe in God because there is no evidence either way. And I never said there is such thing as a Christian atheist. I said Christian Jew; which would apply if you believe that Judaism is of culture and heritage than a religious stance. If you can be an atheist Jew; then one can be a Christian Jew. You can't have pieces of a belief without going all in. Sorry, you may think I'm confused, but I think it's you that is confused for thinking one can be an atheist Jew and not a Christian Jew.
Regardless of your logic, there is reality that crandc and I live in. In that reality, we are atheists and Jews, often referred to as non practicing Jews or secular Jews. We do not have the same high regard by the Jewish community as those who are devout, but we are accepted as Jews and invited into celebrations and cultural events and are part of the Jewish life. On the other hand, I have never met a Jew that considered someone who believed in Jesus to be Jewish. Now this is the de facto law in the Jewish world. (in other words, that's reality) I don't know what the de jure law is, you would have to talk with a bunch of rabbi's to know that. As far as your definition of agnostic and atheist, they simply aren't right. We have gone of this a bunch, you keep insisting that green is red, so there is no discussion to be had.
You can justify it all day long, but the words are pretty simple. You can adjust it like the Jews adjusted their belief to suit your "atheistic needs"; but in the end; its just what it is.
Why don't you look at the situation, and at least realize in the context of our conversation, our definitions are required. If you use your definitions, then there are no words to conceptualize our thoughts. Hence, we can't have the conversation. If you continue to be stubborn over these definitions than you are killing communication. We can't have the discussion.
Exactly. It's like, you're trying to discuss table and another person keeps insisting a door is really a table and you explain over and over the differences but still insists a door is a table. Makes it hard to talk about tables.
What do you guys think of some Christian's fascination with Jews? I sometimes watch some religious channels for the lol, and they are obsessed with helping Jewish people. Personally, i'd be freaked out.
But it's not like I am the only one that feels this way. In fact, there are agnostics that agree. I think the stubbornness are from those that see the contradiction and can't have any of it. So you can say "I can't have a condo with you because we don't share the same views" only means. "I am too stubborn to see your point"
Any belief can do very atrocious things. Look at the atheist communist parties. Hundreds of millions were killed. Many of them Jews.
I really don't get it. I think it might have to do with the perceived (might not really, but it's perceived as such) standing that Jews hold in our society, the lawyers, the entertainers, the businessmen, basically people of importance based both on being moral people and holding coveted jobs. So aligning yourselves with these people may seem like a smart thing to do. It seems selfish to only help your own, so aligning themselves with an outside group is seen as something Jesus or other honorable people would do. They choose the Jews because they are "other", but they aren't too "other" if you get what im saying. They still believe in a lot of what we do, but they aren't us, so. Also, the opposing side (at least viewed as opposing side) are the Muslims, the brown people, the religion that even more different, the truly "other" people. So we buddy buddy with the Jews in part for cover against our Muslim enemies. These are all just ideas off the top of my head, I have never thought about it before, so perhaps I am way off. Or perhaps some of these ideas work and others don't.
The Jews are God's chosen people.....have been since the beginning of creation. http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Jews-As-God~s-Chosen-People
If Jews are the chosen people, but Jews don't believe in Jesus, doesn't it stand to reason that that one part of that equation is wrong? Either: A) Jesus is not the messiah B) Jews are not the chosen people
Many Jews believe in Jesus. In fact, a number of them, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, wrote the New Testament. The Old Testament "leads" to Jesus. The New Testament is all "about" Jesus.
Would it bother you if people kept insisting the New Testament "leads" to porn? In essence that is akin to your claim. Or less perverted, your bible leads to the Quran.
