Of players with at least one-all star berth (drafted since 1999) that went to UFA: 3 of 35 signed as UFAs with the team they were with going into UFA: Wade, Parker, Joe Johnson. 3 of 35 signed extensions before they went to UFA: Z-bo, Gasol, Jameer 5 of 35 were traded immediately prior to UFA, whether forced or not: Deron, Melo, Howard, Marion, CP3 1 of 35 was a UFA S&T (Lee) 2 of 35 retired as UFAs (Yao, Wally) 21 of 35 left for nothing but cap space and/or 2nds/trade exceptions (everyone else)
to confirm the question, who has been drafted, played their rookie deal, been extended (or matched as RFA), played out that deal, and then been extended a second time or re-signed a second time, all with the same team? You'd only be looking at players who have been in the league at least 9 years. Like Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, Parker, Wade. You're right, it's not a very long list. It's a transient league.
Who are those 21 players? I wonder how many were Amare types where their previous team didn't want them back or Bosh types where their team did.
All-Stars and what their teams got for them up to when they reached UFA: Bottom line up front: 3 of 35 signed as UFAs with the team they were with going into UFA: Wade, Parker, Joe Johnson. 3 of 35 signed extensions before they went to UFA: Z-bo, Gasol, Jameer 5 of 35 were traded immediately prior to UFA, whether forced or not: Deron, Melo, Howard, Marion, CP3 1 of 35 was a UFA S&T (Lee) 2 of 35 retired as UFAs (Yao, Wally) 21 of 35 left for nothing but cap space and/or 2nds/trade exceptions (everyone else) So, going back to the 1999 draft (only a 6 year+ sample size), less than 10% of UFAs who make it to UFA sign with their old team. Another 10% sign extensions (which can now only happen in last year of the deal). 5 were traded (6 if you count Lee's S&T) so the old team got something for them. But 23 of 35 All-Stars who hit FA gave their old team nothing in return but maybe a 2nd rounder and trade exception/cap space. 2005: (0/4 with original team. 2 forced trades before UFA, 1 will leave for nothing, 1 left via UFA S&T) Deron (not with UTH--forced trade before UFA) CP3 (not with NOH--forced trade before UFA) Bynum (not with LAL--traded before UFA. PHI will probably lose him via UFA for nothing) Lee (not with NYK--left via UFA S&T) 2004: (1 of 3 still with team, Deng & Harris still not UFA. 1 traded, 1 left for nothing) Howard (not with ORL--demanded trade before UFA) Harris (not with DAL--traded for Jason Kidd while on rookie deal. Still not UFA) **Deng (still with CHI--human trade rumor, and hasn't become UFA yet) Iguodala (not with PHI--left DEN via UFA for nothing) Jameer (still with ORL--signed extension) 2003: (1 for 7--and the only one is Wade. Mo still isn't UFA. 1 traded, 5 left for nothing ) LeBron (not with CLE--left in UFA for nothing) Melo (not with DEN--demanded trade) Wade (with MIA--resigned with Superfriends) Bosh (not with TOR--left in UFA for nothing) Kaman (not with LAC--traded before UFA then left NOH for nothing ) West (not with NOH--left as UFA for nothing) Howard (not with DAL--traded before UFA and left WAS via UFA for nothing) Mo Williams (not with UTH--still hasn't become UFA) 2002 (0/3, though Yao probably would have re-signed. 3 left for nothing) Yao (retired before UFA) Amare(not with PHX--left via UFA for nothing) Butler (not with MIA--traded for Shaq on rookie deal. Left DAL for nothing) Boozer (not with CLE--left via cheati-I mean, UFA) 2001: (2/7 resigned. 2 signed extensions before UFA, 3 left for nothing) Chandler (not with CHI--traded after signing post-rookie extension. Left DAL via UFA) Gasol (not with MEM--traded before UFA, signed extension) Joe Johnson (resigned with ATL as UFA) Z-Bo (not with POR--traded, signed extension before UFA) Parker (still with Spurs) Okur (not with Pistons--Left via UFA) Arenas (not with GSW--left via UFA) 2000: (0/3. All three left for nothing) K-Mart (not with NJN--S&Td after rookie contract. Left for China via UFA) Magloire( not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left POR via UFA) Redd (not with MIL--left via UFA) 1999: (1 demanded trade. 6 left for nothing. 1 retired, for nothing.) Brand (not with CHI--traded on rookie deal. Left LAC via UFA for nothing) Franchise (not with VAN--traded before UFA. Left NYK via UFA for nothing) Baron (not with CHA--traded before UFA. Left GSW via UFA for nothing) Wally World (not with MIN--traded before UFA. Retired while UFA) Rip (not with WAS--traded before UFA. Left via waivers for nothing) Marion (not with PHX--demanded trade before UFA.) Artest (not with CHI--traded before UFA. Left HOU via UFA for nothing) Kirilenko (not with UTH--demanded trade, but left for nothing)
Look at the bright side, think of how many value players we can get with 15 million off the book. 4-6 players?
That’s a pretty misleading list, 19 guys on it were traded because their team thought they’d get more value. Bynum, Deron, Lee, Harris, Iggy, Kaman, Mo Williams, Butler, Chandler, Gasol, Joe J, Zbo, Kmart, Magloire, Franchise, Baron, Wally World, Rip, Marion, Artest, Brand 9 of them were not wanted by their former team and allowed to walk. West, Yao, Amare, Boozer, Okur, Arenas, Redd, AK47, Joe J. I'd also add Josh Smith to this list. There are really only 2 that left as free agents, LeBron and Bosh. If you want to say three and include the traded Brand since he left after his first big contract when his team wanted to keep him that makes sense. 3 forced trades in CP3, Melo and Howard. This list does do a good job showing how overrated being an all-star is and how many all-stars are unworthy of max contracts shorty there after.
I think this list also shows how rare it is for a player to play at a high level in their second contract. Most players have peaked at 28 and their skills are going to decline.
There's also weirdness from the old old CBA that allowed for huge, long contracts... now that it's 4 or 5 years max, it might change a bit...
There's just been too much back chatter about him deciding to move on to ignore. I think he's probably more deflated than any of us as to what happened with the Roy-LA-GO plan. He had to live it. I could imagine that kind of experience would make him want to move on as well.
I'd be pretty concerned if any all-star was content with losing their last 13 straight games. If the Blazers are winning at the start of the season this becomes a non-issue just like Kobes trade demands.
It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out. Since everyone is on shorter contracts there will be less of those massive terrible deals clogging up teams caps for multiple seasons. But that means there will also be more cap space available every offseason to sign players to terrible contracts!
This guy Brian from Washington has some impressive posts. And the analysis seems to actually be improving over time. I learned from that. Okay, I'm going to break down and expend one of my valuable reps. I'm torn. Damn I hate to do this. Plus I have my Scrooge reputation to maintain. Oh, get it over with.
