Report: Unnamed NBA players linked to Biogenesis clinic scandal

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    It's not the peds, it's 300lb guys running into 300lb guys repeatedly for years.
     
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    Yes, I do. McGwire is the classic example. He was always a great hitter - nagging injuries held him back through much of his career.

    It keeps coming back to the same points: if HGH or TRT or a host of other steroids had no legit medical use or were highly dangerous, your Dr couldn't prescribe them to YOU. If they are legit, legal medical treatments for YOU, why are they illegal for players?
     
  3. BigGameDamian

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    I could not disagree more with you. Drugs like roids and PED's ruin sports. Why do players need to take these? To inhance there playing ability? No, I don't buy that, It's all about money and money alone. So your telling me that someone like LeBron James couldn't dominate the NBA or put up triple double stats without taking these PED's?
     
  4. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    I read something years ago, maybe don't recall the details exactly, it was talking about guys working on their lower bodies, but it said the impact of NFL linemen coming off the line and blasting into each other was something like a 30-MPH impact. Repeatedly. I may not have that exactly right, but it seems plausible. And it may be even worse now with improved training regimes, and yes, PEDs.
     
  5. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    You're against synthetic substances like modern medicine?

    My 2nd-best friend in the 7th grade, Roger Stillwell, later a Chicago Bears starter, didn't get to spend his landmark lawsuit winnings against the team doctor. He died in his early 50s. What kills them isn't accumulated bangs against 300-pound bodies. It's enduring pain from 1-time career-ending snaps under 300-pound bodies. And subsequent decades of medicine and pain killers. So yes, it's the synthetic substances, but taken afterward by prescription, not the ones before retirement, which kill NFL players early.
     
  6. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    That's not even close to being what I said.
     
  7. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Why shouldn't people who constantly ingest synthetic medicine to improve body performance be imprisoned, forced to perjure themselves in front of committees of senators, etc.?
     
  8. MARIS61

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    They are not legit, and very few doctors actually prescribe them, and then only in very specific instances.

    One excellent reason they don't belong in sports lies in the ridiculous advantage they give someone over his/her competitor. They actually completely remove the "sport" from sports. You may as well introduce androids into the game.

    In 1927, with the nation cheering him on, Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs.

    In 1961, under a yearlong barrage of hate mail and death threats, Roger Maris hit 61 home runs.

    It is now 2013, and no un-juiced player has ever touched those phenomenal records. Roids make keeping record books meaningless. They make watching the game a pointless waste of time.
     
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    Mcgwire was always a liar and a cheater. In 2010, McGwire publicly admitted to using performance-enhancing drugs throughout his career.
     
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    This may be more due to the fact that NFL players aren't exactly the brightest bulbs on the tree in the first place. Mostly they're big, dumb guys who never had to actually get an education to get a diploma. Many cannot read or write. After football is no longer employing them, most of these guys can barely hold down a job pushing a mop.
     
  11. BigGameDamian

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    Wade Boggs did drugs to better himself also. So did Don Mattingly.
     
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    I use Post Enhancing Drugs.

    They don't seem to be working.
     
  13. HomerLovesKoolAid

    HomerLovesKoolAid I have a well-known member.

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    Maybe you should try HCPialis (helps with rookie/nerd bashing) or Vimagsra (makes any trade possible).
     
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    I thought this thread was about Penis Enhancing Drugs? :dunno:
     
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    If many use HGH and other substances as a way for their body to bounce back faster from injuries, and needing less rest, I just don't see a huge issue between that and other aspects of modern medicine. How is it a world different than than platelet enrichment blood spinning treatment?
    As for "guys in the old days" like Ruth, Maris, etc., in that era, we also saw pitcher's careers end from torn elbow ligaments, whereas now a guy can take a year off with Tommy John surgery, and be back close to where he was before. Those players never would have been able to continue playing were it not for advancement in medicine. As well as advancement in training, nutrition knowledge, etc.
     
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    And with modern knee surgery Gayle Sayers' career might have lasted another 5 years and placed him higher on the all-time lists. Does that make it unfair for modern players to have surgery? How many pitchers have had their career saved by Tommy John surgery? Where do you draw the line?
     
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    Seems to me that the line is between legitimate medical treatment for an illness or injury vs. Taking substances for the sole purpose of enhanced performance without much regard for health impacts.
     
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    So it's the white and Asian players....I knew it
     
  19. BigGameDamian

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    They are talking about suspending A-Rod for life in baseball.
     
  20. The_Lillard_King

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    All professional athletes have some aches and pains. Some like to heal the natural way or play with the pain, others will take PEDs for their "recovery" so they can come back faster and stronger.

    Athletes who talk honestly about PEDs will say that their reaction time and ability to see the ball (thinking baseball interviews) increases with PEDs even though the aging process is suppose to slow that down
     

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