One Aldridge Trade Thread to Rule Them All

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  1. magnifier661

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    Doesn't matter: Portland comes off worst in that three-way. We may have to trade Aldridge but damned if I'm giving up Batum. (Also: who's Houston's SF now? And that would be pretty rich given that Parsons was the one who worked tirelessly to recruit Howard.)
     
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    It isn't a question of getting enough, but rather of giving up too much.

    If you don't want an honest appraisal of your suggested trade, don't ask for it :)
     
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    I want that, but I also want you not to be such a colossal homer.
     
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    I don't know if Aldridge is gone or not. I hope not, because it'll be pretty much impossible to get equal value. But just about every player knows enough nowadays knows enough not to come out and say "trade me, mothafuckas!" because you can bet their agents are in their ears CONSTANTLY saying that.

    He could just have put his house on the market for no good reason...

    For what it's worth (which, admittedly, isn't much):

     
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    I think you're a colossal homer. Most fans are. I'm rather skeptical about the Bulls chances if they don't make a move. On the other hand, I don't think they should deal all of their strength from their position of strength.

    Mirotic might be 90% the player LMA is. Doesn't mean I'd throw him in to "sweeten" a deal that already isn't favorable.

    I like LMA, but I don't think if we lose Taj and Boozer and Mirotic to get him that we're more likely to win a championship. We would be playing Nazr Mohammed 16 minutes a game.

    I also like the idea of rolling the dice on Mirotic and the pick with the core we have. It's not out of the realm of possibility that both turn out at least LMA's equal, and we get to watch them as rookies on cheap contracts and then another four years if we extend them.
     
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    Your certainly right that every fan is a homer in one way or another, the Chicago/BLazer trades you have taken part in are a great example as most Blazer fans think you overvalue Bulls and you think Blazer fans are overvaluing LMA. If I was a bulls fan i'd rather just not trade for LMA because he would cost you guys to much. The Bulls dont' have a great way outside of trades to get much better, Mirotic and the Bobcats pick are the only ways to bring in really cheap talent for nothing but the Bobcats pick is going to be a long shot to be in the top 3 in 2016 because the bobcats are sure as hell not trying to suck while other teams have hopped on the tank bandwagon and its not outside the realm of possibility that the bobcats pick will be in the 8-14 part of the draft. Also Mirotic could turn out to be a bust, you could end up with neither asset being anywhere near the value of LMA. That of course is just pointing out that as optimistic as you are of those two assets they could very well not live up to the hype.
    But as I was saying I don't think its a good fit between the two teams and I like what Chicago has with Rose/Noah/Butler for the future, not sure what you guys will do with Deng, to add LMA to that mix would mean that your owner would have to start paying the lux tax soon because if you have Rose/Noah/LMA going into the future thats going to be damn near all your money just for those players, especially after extensions were given. If you don't extend one of the two in Noah/LMA then what would the point of trading for LMA have been? I like the idea of Chicago not doing any panic trades and instead kind of wait until Miami is out of the way in two years and then make the moves to become the new powerhouse in the east.
     
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    Bobcats pick is protected top 10 in 2014 anyway:

     
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    Rubbish. Most Blazer fans think Lillard is already as good as Rose and Aldridge is better than Noah. The vast majority of Blazer fans would laugh my trade suggestions off as ludicrously undervaluing the Blazer players.

    ??

    I like Mirotic a lot, but I think that's stretching it. He's certainly not the dominant player in Spain that, say, Marc Gasol was, let alone Pau Gasol. He's going to be pretty damn skinny for an NBA PF. Besides, I don't see him as the "sweetener". I see him as the reason the trade is even considered on the Blazers' end. Taj Gibson is solid, but he's mainly there because his contract was the right size.

    I guess you weren't paying attention to the way Miami did it. In the new NBA it's stars or nothing. Aldridge is a star. Those other guys aren't. (Although, to be fair, Boozer used to look a lot more star-like.)

    It's not too late to jump into the Greg Oden sweepstakes...

    In all likelihood Chicago WILL stand pat. But if they do that, will the core stay together? Will the window for contending close? The Nets and Indy have moved ahead of Chicago already, and Miami have conclusively proved they can beat Chicago as currently constructed. It's like Chicago is the Andy Murray of a few years ago - good, but with Federer, Nadal and Djokovic firmly ahead of them. How's Derrick "The Best Player in the NBA" Rose going to feel about that? And Noah's body isn't all that sound, and you're going to lose Deng too, soon. You can comfort yourself that Jimmy "the guy from Marquette who got drafted because of Wesley" is as good, but I say he's like Nate Robinson: a replaceable part in Thibs's system.

    If Chicago is serious about contending, then Aldridge is probably the most getable extra star. Anyone but a Chicago homer will tell you that he's better than any player you've got not called Rose or Noah (and most non-Chicago fans will say he's better than Noah - I happen to be a huge Noah fan). Mirotic and the Charlotte pick aren't going to keep fans happy, especially if Mirotic stays in Europe much longer - which he well might, especially as he can earn more there at the moment.
     
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    And I'm the homer?

    Geez.
     
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    No, but you are a homer. This is THE Homer:

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    I want one Aldridge thread to kill the rest. Damn, I'd rather have two years of his services and lose him for nothing than take one of these lame trades that keep getting posted.
     
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    I think that Rose was clearly better than Lillard pre-injury. It remains to be seen how much difference there will be post-injury. I flat out know that Aldridge is a better player than Noah.
     
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    The Bulls had the best record in basketball two straight seasons. Then Rose got hurt. OK, so maybe he won't come back 100%, but that remains to be seen. If he doesn't, it won't matter what the Bulls do - they won't be championship contenders. You do remember they made the ECF in Rose's MVP year. You know, one more MVP than the guy you think is better than him (and 8+ better PER, too).

    I saw what the Heat did. They have LeBron who is in a class by himself. I don't know any combination of other players beats them. Though if Wade seriously declines, it will be him pretty much by himself. And chrissy bosh, oooooooh. Does Rose/Butler/Deng/Mirotic(and Taj)/Noah have what it takes to beat LeBron, Bosh, and 33 year old Wade two seasons from now? Hell, LeBron may not even be on the Heat then.

    Guys I think are in Rose's class as PG are few. DWill, Paul, Westbrook, Curry. Maybe I'm leaving someone out (NOT Lillard). The jury is out on Lillard. Stat padder on a 33 win team, a sieve on defense. Not saying he won't be great. I actually hope he does step up his game like Rose did. Rose was a sieve on defense his first couple of seasons, too.

    Due to the way the Bulls cap space works, they're likely to re-sign Deng. They'll be able to amnesty Boozer, sign Mirotic, and pay Deng Max (if they choose) and be under the LT, including all the cap holds and other guys' salaries. If they let Deng walk, they'd have a couple $million under the cap to replace him, which is a tough thing to do.

    That Bobcats pick is fully unprotected in 2016. If the Bulls do win 60+ games the next three seasons, maybe win a championship, it'd be like when the Celtics got 1st pick and drafted Len Bias. What a huge shot in the arm to get #1 in the draft while championship contender!

    Yeah, yeah, the Bobcats are going to try and win. And sure, past performance isn't a guarantee of future performance. But one .500 season in the history of the franchise, 33, 26, and 18 wins (going the right direction for the Bulls!) the past three seasons, and I think it's a lot better bet than hoping a Spurs pick might turn into a superstar.

    Obviously the Bulls have assets you want, or you wouldn't keep making lopsided trade proposals to get a bunch of them.
     
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    a more realistic proposal would be mirotic and cha pick with boozer, if boozer falls off a cliff and or is injured

    basically a salary dump, because boozer is still a useful player at this point
     
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    Boozer sucks. Not because he has no talent, (because he does) but because no one likes playing with him. For him to be effective the offense needs to run through him. But why would Chicago do that when they have Rose. Utah could not wait to get rid of him for the same reason. DWill hated playing with him. Chicago needs to pay to get rid of him and his salary, not benefit by trading him.
     
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    How is it a salary dump? Boozer has two more years on his contract. Same as LMA.
     
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    no, like if boozer was just pure salary, not a player
     
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    It's often said a fair, balanced agreement is one where both sides feel they get shorted. Seems to be the case here, based on both sides' comments.

    Aldridge is not only an All-Star, but an All-Star at a talent deprived position in the NBA. How many teams have legit low post threats you can run an offense through? Not many and Chicago is one of them. The contention that it leaves them void of a backup power forward seems a little petty considering what they get in return. Plus, they get a two guard who fits their system and is just entering his prime.

    From Portland's perspective, if they can get a young, talented big in return like Asik, it's probably the best consolation prize you can hope for. They may be able to get a borderline all star at a wing position, but I'd rather have a talented big.

    Personally, I'd wait it out and hope Love and the T'Wolves get disgruntled enough with each other, that we can swing a Love for Aldridge swap.
     

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