Thanks for finding the actual numbers. My point is that if you're going to include Ichiro's Japan numbers to his hit total to the point where your putting him in the same company with Rose & Cobb, then you have to add negro league numbers to players careers. And if Yu Darvish reachers 4000 Ks in his MLB career & he had over over 1000 Ks while playing in asia are they going to say he & Ryan are the only pitchers to reach 5000 strike outs? Is Sadaharra Oh the real HR champ? My apologies if it sounds like I'm beating this to death, Just trying make a point. I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
^^^rick, first off, you're talking hypotheticals about Darvish. And besides, he'll never get to 4000 Ks in MLB...he's 27 years old, how long do you think he can pitch? He'd have to average 200 Ks a year for the next 18 years...do you think there's any way he'll pitch effectively till he's 45 years old? ...and as far as Sadaharu Oh goes, last time I checked, he never played MLB at all.
If Japanese league hits are considered equivalent to MLB hits, then whether or not Oh played in MLB is irrelevant. BTW, Stan the man had 371 minor league hits in addition to his 3630 MLB hits. Sounds like 4001 hits as a professional to me. Factoring in his 553 minor league hits, Jeter's at 3861. Only 139 more needed for 4000!!
...lol...for about the 3rd time, who the hell said Japanese baseball numbers "are considered equivalent to MLB hits"?: ...but it is funny how you and others are somehow confusing MLB stats with pro Baseball career stats and now, even Minor league stats?...wow.
I was using Darvish just as an example not as something he'd actually be able to accomplish. The same way I'd use Oh as an example if he hit only 10 major league HRs. Would you combine the two. Since my point seems to be traveling like a 600 foot HR. I'll end this topic just by saying that sportscasters & announcers should not be putting Ichiro's accomplishments (as great as they are) in the same company with Rose & Cobb since they don't actually apply to MLB statistics. End of story.
...rick, it's called rhetoric, that's what sportscasters and announcers do...it stimulates conversation. ...when Ichiro's career is over he won't have some asterisk or something like that attached to his MLB hits that will also include the hits he compiled while in Japan. All some people are saying is that when you consider both MLB and Japan, the guy has had an incredible career, that's all. ...since he came to the US to play MLB in 2001, he has about 350 more hits that anyone else during that time...he also had 10 consecutive 200 hit seasons...no one else can claim that.
Anyone touting Ichiro's 4000 as comparable to Rose/Cobb's 4000 is implying equivalency. That's the whole basis for this thread, isn't it? There's no confusion here. It's an intentional invalid conflation for the purpose of illustrating a point. IF Japan league stats are not functionally equivalent to MLB stats, then it stands to reason that they are more closely comparable to minor league stats, thus making Ichiro's current 4,001 approximately equal to Musial's 4,001. It's really not that difficult to understand.
PtldPlatypus;3089718] ...uhhh, no. There's a difference between "implying" and "inferring"...and yeah, I think you are confusing this and building a stick man argument. ...with the exception of people in this thread, no one is using Japanese #s or minor league numbers and counting them as towards MLB numbers. The only statements I've read elsewhere and on TV, are by reporters who are pointing to Ichiro's PRO CAREER numbers...nothing more, nothing less. ...if you want to interject Stan's minor league numbers, fine, that's up to you...doesn't make it any less humorous.
