So what was more memorable: [video=youtube;nfurCV1FDpM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfurCV1FDpM[/video] Or this... [video=youtube;__29zDPQK8o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__29zDPQK8o[/video]
How can someone not think he should be in the hall is beyond me. Maybe not 1st ballot but definitely deserves to get in. He had a short peek, only about 4-5 years, but during that peek he wasn't just a top 10 player but a top 5 and there was real debate about who was the best SG in the league between McGrady and Kobe, Kobe was the better defender by far but McGrady was considered the better scorer. It seems like a few of you have the "what has he done now" syndrome because he has been pretty irrelevant for 5 years now. 7x All star 7x All NBA 2x scoring champ (Every other retired scoring champ save one is in the hall) career totals of 18+ points, 5k rebounds, 4k assists puts him with 15 other players who are all in the hall. I know I said most of this before but I just had to reiterate it after reading some of the posts that came after it.
Until this year (when he played 52 seconds in the Semi Finals against GS) he had never played past the first round of the playoffs...........Never in 16 years. Yes he was on some bad teams. (Not his fault) But I also don't think he made his teammates better. And since he had the ball in his hands 90% of the time.....he should have. I still vote no.
I think people saying absolutely are way off base. he could get in, but it's not a sure thing. His playoff success, or lack there of, is going to be big
To me a player's overall impact on/in the league should be more important than their individual stats. I just never felt McGrady was that impactful. Fun to watch, to be sure, but it didn't seem to me he made his teams that much better. I don't really feel strongly one way or the other.
You're a funny dude BG. One thing about this forum. They won't put up with your one liners. What sent you away from Olive.?
Why is it that Grant Hill is often held in higher regard, while both he and TMac are so similar in both stats and playoff success? Actually if you compare their short primes, I'd argue that TMac was better.
I remember seeing Grant Hill as a rookie and being blown away by how good he was. I knew he was solid watching him on TV at Duke, but I didn't realize how explosive he was too. His overall game was great. His injuries were devastating. He could do it all before them. TMac was very good also, but the 4 years Hill spent playing college ball (under Krzyzewski) I think made him a better all around team player.
T-Mac was an amazing offensive player. Could shoot from the outside, could create his own shot any time he wanted, could get to the foul line any time he wanted, and could even do a bit of offensive rebounding when he wanted. But what he never seemed to want to do was play good defense. For that reason, I have a problem with him getting into the Hall. But I don't vote, and I bet he'll get in. He was one of the 2-3 best players at his position for several seasons, and arguably the best offensive player at his position over that time. But because his defense was always lacking (and his teams in general had flaws), McGrady could never win a playoff series. Injuries were a factor, and that's always tough to figure into discussions about historic greatness, the Hall of Fame, etc. But I have little doubt that if Yao and T-Mac could've stayed healthy, those Rockets' teams could've won a title or two.
McGrady's Hall of Fame probability reminds me of Brandon Roy's. His team's fans were thrilled with his clutch shooting. But the rest of the league just heard about it on highlights. Both got injured a lot. Neither defended or scared good teams in the playoffs.
