Urban Planning in Portland

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  1. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Not bad, but not enough emphasis on real jobs. All of the major developments downtown are either government, residential or retail. Those are all industries that rely on already created wealth. We need industries that will create wealth for the rest of the city. We can't build an economy on coffee shops and second hand boutiques.
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Thanks for the response. I was mostly curious to hear your opinion, but I didn't think I should call you on it.

    You have got me wondering about the notion of restaurant employees keeping other restaurants afloat from buying their food. There is a limited amount of true production in the city itself.
     
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    But... small business owners!
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Portland gets way too much credit for it's planning. I sit in class and listen to this shit all day. We are way overhyped.
     
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    There are all kinds of small businesses. We have too many of the kind I described and not enough of the ones who innovate and create wealth. What we do have is a thriving advertising and product design industry.

    I'd like to see us do more Silicon Valley type of stuff. We attract those kinds of people. I think the idea of SoWa being an incubator for biotech is a novel idea.
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Could you expand on this please?
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    There are certain industries that benefit from a relationship with a university (Stanford/Silicon Valley, MIT/Route 128, etc.). Biotech is one of them. If the state can get a return by helping some of these business along, then it help captures some value that would have left. The state offers a critical mass of lab space, researchers, data, office space, etc. and gets a piece of the business in exchange.
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Who is SoWa though? South Washington?
     
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    I'm curious. Do you mean the City of Portland or the Oregon land use planning system in general?
     
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    Portland mostly. I think we have some great things in place, like the Urban Growth Boundary, but we get way too much credit for our mass transit, and our bike riding is horribly planned as well. There are much better examples of urban planning in Europe, or even South America. We just happen to be one of the best in the US, which isn't saying much.
     
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    South Waterfront. OHSU's new campus.
     
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    Mass transit and bicycles are both a situation where planning has to be done in a retrofitting kind of a way in a city like Portland. Like most west coast cities, and unlike Europe, Portland pretty much abandoned mass transit with the rise of private auto use in post World War II period. Highways and freeways multiplied and people began moving to the suburbs for cheaper housing on bigger lots. Trying to retrofit to accommodate those modes of transportation now is expensive, piecemeal, and disruptive to existing neighborhoods.
     
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    But that's the thing, Portland gets a lot of credit for it's mass transit and bike lanes, but we still have a ton of traffic and congestion. I've always felt like it's just a feather in the cap that they like to point to. Ridership of our transportation is minimal. Very little effect on the overall traffic congestion in our city. Bike ridership is also very low compared to the big picture.

    The UGB is great, and it has helped to keep our downtown vibrant and centralized, but most of the things that we've spent billions on over the years (IE MAX) are largely unsuccessful and pointless.

    Also, extremely cost-ineffective. TriMet doesn't sustain itself. Not even close.
     
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    Where the hell do you get that impression? Certainly not from riding it every day.
     
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    The Oregonian released some figures last year. I'd have to go look it up.
     
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    I could spend hours telling you the multiple ways in which the land use planning system is totally screwed up. I have a Masters in Urban Planning and have spent three and half decades working in the trenches of Oregon's land use system. Portland has exactly the kind of transportation system that was planned for. The Transportation Planning Rule was pretty well designed with the intent to ensure that the freeways and arterial road systems would be over capacity. It was done in order to try to motivate people to use the mass transit systems that they planned to spend billions of dollars building.
     
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    Once gas hits $KILL a gallon in the post-apocalypse, we'll be glad for our MAX! :ghoti:
     
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    There's a balance between urban planning and population control. Europeans are much more comfortable with having their lives dictated to them than are we. It's the reason they're more comfortable with mass transit, while we cherish our cars.
     

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