I am learning, slowly at that, that you can't joke about race here. No good jokes about Mrs HCP having had sex with so many black guys that every time she has a pap smear 50 crimes are solved. Which is fucking hysterical, but someone will be offended
What I find ridiculous is that there has been persecution, killing, genocide, and war throughout human history. I think at some point every race and ethnicity has been treated badly, so I don't understand how one race or one group can claim to still understand or warrant reparations for something that happened so long ago. The Japanese were rounded up during WWII, in America, and imprisoned for no crime other than being Japanese. That wasn't even 100 years ago. There are still people alive who had to endure that. The Irish were treated like shit when they emigrated here. So were the Chinese. Our country created legislation to persecute the Chinese that had come over during the 1800s. If you go back to Europe, I'm sure virtually every person living in the United States has ancestors who were at some point persecuted because of their race or their religion. I just find it ridiculous that anyone living today understands what their ancestors experienced over 100 years ago. I find it absurd that anyone today is entitled to reparations for something that happened a long time ago. Wars have been fought, land has been won and lost, and races have been enslaved and freed. Humans are evil. They do evil things. Even today, evil is present in the world.
Thn could you hae given a serious answerohim, rather than yours? For example you could have explained that in the stste of Oregon until 1927 or so, a person of color couldnot own property, and were encouraged not to reside within the state as a matter of rule. My two cents I can only speak to the changes that I have seen. The excepted social norm from my grandfathers time, born in the 20s, 20 year navy and WW2 vetto my fathers generation are vast, as is the difference from his to mine. My Daughter and Son have never known acceptance of raciest actions or thought. My grandsons will have a hard time understanding the concept what so ever.. I believe that the answer is to allow the nation to heal, rather than pick at the scab at every turn. beating he drums of division and evoking cultural guilt of sins ten decades old does nothing to aid the melding of peoples.
slightly different scenarios here. While the internment camps were bad, it's not like Japanese people were taken from Japan, sold into slavery, and beaten, dehumanized and racially isolated for generations. They came here on their free will, weren't slaves, lynched, beaten, hunted, dehumanized and it wasn't made socially acceptable to call them ****** and coon and "boy". which is related to people here, how? I find it ridiculous that you think that's actually what any of this is about. Study the history of our country, and how we've treated different races. If you were white, you were accepted FAR sooner than if you weren't. Hell, want proof? Look no further than the Miss America pageant just last week. Reparations are a different subject and I think a very very VERY minority of people actually talk about it. I don't get why people seem to be unable to accept any form of criticism without having to get defensive about things. Especially when, afaik, none of the people who have responded in this thread are black or experience institutional racism in the least. It's OK to say that it was bad, and our country has had a history of playing favorites with different races. It won't take away anything from you to sit back and say "you know what? I accept that the events of 100 years ago have an impact today".
You guys are either missing the point purposely, or refusing to admit to the bigger point. Events in our history plays a role in our lives today. The voting rights act, the abolishment of the draft, red lining, slavery and many other things. It's not about YOU taking credit or blame for the sins of the past, it's accepting that they have wounded people, beyond what you experience or know of in your own life, and it created an atmosphere in our country that still is having an impact to this day. bringing up your own children, or your grandfather, or trying to act liek this is about "division" and "cultural guilt" pretty much glorifies that you are missing the bigger point. The psychology of the issue is what is being discussed, not passing blame or trying to divide us. smfh. It's not a difficult concept people.
True. Also true is the old saying that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. When Jews say "never again", they are not trying to ruin your day. That saying is about the future - not just the past.
what? are you taking lessons from crandc? whan I bring up accepted social mind set of five generations..does that not address the psychology of the fucking issue...you are correct, itsnot a difficult concept, I just dont agree with your opinion
What exactly is your point? People are shitty. They treat each other like shit. This isn't exclusive to one race. There are white people who are racist against other white people. There are black people who are racist against white people. There are Europeans who are racist against Americans. Yes, there were events that still shape our country today. Slavery, suffrage, the declaration of independence, 9/11, the holocaust.... My point, from the beginning, was that bad things have happened throughout history. We've done stupid and horrible things since the beginning of this country. There have been stupid and horrible things all around the globe. There are black people who have ancestors who owned slaves. There are white people who have black ancestors, or American Indian ancestors. I guess I don't understand how someone today can be wounded by something that happened that long ago. Racism, yes, that I can understand, but why a specific event like slavery?
No, the difficult concept is that we're talking about the impact on people over time, vs making it about "well I'm not racist, so why are black people whining"
because it was an acceptable behavior, and that acceptable behavior, while watered down, lead to a belief as to how black people are supposed to act and how it is acceptable for whites to treat and talk about blacks.
first, I have seen no one say that seconed, when I say tht I can see the change within in ten decades worth of history tha I have had available to me, you discount that.. tell us, how many generations should pay for the ills of your great great grandfathers? Should I still hate the Japs that removed the heads of prisoners durring WW?
So my question is, how is this different in the north compared to the south? Is it different in England? 9/11 was very recent and has created an environment of distrust and racism towards anyone from the Middle East. Is it currently worse for Muslims in America? Has it lead to a believe of how Middle Easterners are supposed to act and how it is acceptable for whites to treat and talk about them? Bottom line, racism exists and will continue to exist for as long as human nature exists. People might not want to admit that they're racist, but everyone stereotypes. We stereotype about race, about religion, about the way someone dresses. I just don't see this changing.
We have a black president. There are hundreds/thousands of black congressmen, senators, governors, mayors, state representatives, county commissioners, city counselors, school superintendents..... all voted into office of the free will of the voters. I'd say things have changed, a lot. Something like 500,000 white men died to free the slaves. While it is fine to be ashamed that our country ever allowed that shit to happen, it is also ok to be proud that there were people willing to die to put an end to it. Go Blazers
