Tell me one more time

just so I'll understand. Your pitching staff went south in Boston and you were swept. Still you have a chance so you play that team that you've won 13/16 against, should be cake. The old man of the staff pitches a game givin up only one run, but your offense has failed again. Enter bull pen who promptly gives up another run and your offense still fails. Then your pen almost blows it again but Lind got greedy. Your offense punked and wimped in the last two. Is this what happened tonight. I'd better see some accountability for this teams failures in the off season.

 

That what we all want, accountability from someone other than players.

 

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that.

 

I can't blame players for quitting, the Boston series was a bloodbath, and more injuries to boot, it's over, they can play this season out without a win and I don't care, see ya next year.

 

you cant blame the players for quitting? do their paychecks stop coming because they got their feelings hurt in boston? gimme a break!!!

 

I know it sounds lame, but the team gave it all they had, just not enough pitching and too many injuries, it's over, they'll play for the pay, but doubt they show any urgency or play hard like they have, and again, I don't blame them.

 

Not even Cano for his slow-mo trots to 1st?. Or CC's under achiving all year?. Or Hughes & Joba sucking all year?. Or Nunez STILL not learning the infield after what 4 years now?. You mean those players?.

 

Oh I'm sure he didn't MEAN to but the point remains that he did indeed suck. My point to Rusty was just that there's enough blame to go around & that means the players also.

 

who in their right mind would blame cano???? hes 5th in the american league in ops and almost 100 points better than the next best 2nd baseman!!

 

I don't think anyone is blaming Cano, Criticizing him for his on field lack of hustle or discussing if we want to pay 200 million has been the Cano topics this year.

 

ricky I'm looking beyond the #s he put up this year. And I can't help but think how much better he could be if he just gave a rats ass. I mean to watch him out of the box you'd think that no infielder EVER booted a ball or made a wild throw to first. So why bother to run hard on a ground ball?

 

...I'll trade out Cano's occasional lapses in all out hustle for his offensive and defensive production any day.

...the Cano hate and "lazy" references are really over the top and he's by no means the only big name player who doesn't always run all out to 1B.

 

If by occasional you mean 95% of the time then okay BUT.........his laziness is not just affecting him. With a guy on first base if he hits a ground ball its a certain double play because he doesn't run hard enough to try & beat it out. Same scenario with him on first, he doesn't hustle to second to try & break up a DP. His non-chalant bullshit who gives a shit approach to the game is hurting the team.

 

And although as 59 stated, every GM wants a Cano at 2B, however he shows no leadership skills, and if you were asking me the difference between say Pedrosia and Cano is that you only have to wash his uniforms 10 times a year. "He's a lollygagger"

 

...95%?...lol...exaggerate much?...what 2Bman do you really think the Yanx should sign instead of Cano?


...Cano, even with his perceived "laziness" by some, is better than any other 2Bman in the game, period.

 

Again my friend I'm not questioning his defense or his numbers which are very impressive & consistant year in & year out. I'm questioning how much better he could be if he just gave a shit. And how much more his TEAM would benifit if he could become more of a TEAM player & do the little things that would make him an even better player.

Honestly you can't tell me that you're okay when he skips to 1st base on 95% of the ground balls he hits. Or when he's on 1st with less then 2 outs & a ball is grounded to short or 3rd & the ball is thrown to 2nd, you don't even see him in the picture (anywhere near the 2nd base bag) while the double play is completed. He just gives up like he's afraid to get his uniform dirty. You CAN'T be okay with that.

I mean hell even the announcers questioned him AGAIN when he literally gave up on a ground ball last night when he stopped a 1/3rd of the way up the line & watched the play get completed. Can you imagine what guys like Weaver & Martin would have done with this prima-donna. Yes his offensive & defense is 2nd to none (no pun intended) but his attitude & approach as one of the leaders on this team just flat out SUCKS!.

I CANNOT make it any clearer then that.

 

...again rick, you're exaggerating like hell. "95%"?...please.

...Does he always run hard to 1B?...no, but neither does Pujols and a lot of players. The fact is that Cano is not very fast and never has been. Do I wish he were faster?...yes. But now that he's on the other side of 30, would I rather see him pulling hammies just to appease the people who claim he's "lazy"?...no.

...again, I'll gladly take another 6-7 years of Cano as he is. Or would you prefer that the Yanx have a 2Bman who hit's .250 with a .650 OPS with mediocre defense, but hey, "he always runs hard to 1B" ?...hope not.

...I'll take 7 more Robbie Cano's and his "attitude" on my team any day. You can have the marginal players who run faster but still have no talent.

...I CANNOT make it any clearer.

 

What Rick is saying and I agree with is got nothing to do with the numbers. It's got to do with between the ears, the image he projects to his fellow teammates and the affect he will have on what is hoped to be a younger group in the years ahead. On a veteran team, his bullshit Caribbean ways may be pushed aside. But his will to win, busting it down the line, getting dirty, being a leader, is all absent in his game. In a year when injuries have robbed the roster of the veteran presence of guys like Jeter, Tex, Grandy, who are all team leaders on the field and in the clubhouse, Cano has responded with a tremendous year statistically speaking, but as an example from a leadership position he has failed miserably, unless you vote for Miss Congeniality because he would win that. So in closing, his stats tell the truth, he is the best second baseman in baseball, the other truth is he is not a leader, and if your not busting it on every play, potentially a bad example for young guys coming up. In a old school baseball world, unacceptable by anyone's standards.

 

...he's not a leader?...so?

...you can keep your "leaders" for whatever they're worth. I'll take the guys with talent any day. And you can't separate his numbers from his perceived lack of hustle, it's a package deal. Not everyone is Derek Jeter.

...again, this Cano hate is over the top. It's almost like complaining because your brand new Lamborghini will only go 180 MPH instead of 190 MPH.