I'm agnostic. "I don't know, you don't know, but I don't care if you think you know" is my approach to those with faith.
When a couple of comedians say they are forming a world atheist church, it looks awfully like a joke.
I think it's funny that he believes I pester people when other posters are telling him to fuck off. Pot meet kettle I guess
Nope, I think this article gives you a better insight regarding this faith. http://theweek.com/article/index/250032/why-atheists-are-starting-their-own-global-church
Who's motto is that? I sure hope you aren't talking about atheists? This was off a simple church. Looks to me atheists do care that others believe in God.
Well that is exactly what I would see an agnostic stance on. Th atheist obviously does care that you think you know. They are as radical as the right winged, IMO.
http://firstchurchofatheism.com/faq/ Here is another group trying to form an atheist church. The faith is strong with this one. You atheists should join. Its free and you can marry people too!
well, 20% of our nation is atheist, but I hear religious messaging far more than a 4:1 ratio. Go figure. Mags, the pestering thing was only about two topics you use to derail conversations and get under atheists skin. 1) Atheism is a faith just like religion. 2) Atheism is only what your definition states. I have discussed both these topics at length, many times, as have others. But there is no discussion to be had since you choose to define things for what we believe. Every other topic I'll enjoy discussing with you. But since you admitted to using the definition argument simply to annoy, well, it just became very easy to ignore.
The concept of Atheism being a faith isn't trying to get under your skin. I firmly believe that. Atheism believes there is no God, yet without proof. That is a faith plain and simple. If you want to take an agnostic approach, then consider yourself agnostic and don't jump on the atheism bandwagon. I was using digs on other things to rile you up. I guess it worked because you believe this stance is a dig and take offense. P.S. you hear 4-1 of religion vs. atheism. Your math actually proclaims that religion is less prying than atheism since atheism is 1/5th of the populous. They are running their mouth much stronger than that of the Christian %
OK, I'll try and explain MY personal view of it. But realize, there are atheists that agree with you as well, although I think the vast majority don't. This is only my view. I claim no affiliation with a movement or group of other atheists. Here we go. I do not have a belief that there is no god. This is not a belief of mine. I believe there is zero evidence suggesting there is a god. And lacking evidence, it seems very unlikely. So I do not have an active belief in god. I don't trust that there is no god, there could be. I simply don't have a belief in god. It's possible, but so unlikely to me that it's not worth contemplating beyond how the belief system effects society, which I find very interesting. So I think about it, but not about the "believe or not believe" portion. There is not much to contemplate regarding the existence of god, at least for me. If you want my fuller thoughts on it, I think it doesn't matter what we believe because I can't imagine a god that would actually care if I believe or not. The concept that something all powerful would care if we have faith seems ridiculous to me. So either there is no god as I think is most likely, or there is a god that is totally separate from the individual at this point. I am fully aware that you will look at what I said and say I am agnostic, not atheist. This may simply be a matter of differing definitions, but I find the likelihood of god so remote that for all practical purposes I have no belief in god. I do not hold open doors just in case God is real. I do not know that there is not a lockness monster, but the evidence is such crap that I have no belief in it. I don't know it doesn't exist, but I simply find it highly highly unlikely. However, I find Nessy more likely than God, or at least any religious version of God.
"well, 20% of our nation is atheist, but I hear religious messaging far more than a 4:1 ratio. Go figure." far more than. I don't have a way to measure, but it sure feels like I hear religious messaging 10:1 or more. But this is not measured, so I really have no idea. I am sure there are pockets where religious messaging is never heard and pockets where atheistic messaging is never heard. But I did say "far more".
Your answer sways me to a label of agnosticism; but you already know that. So regardless of what I believe, does it really matter to you? Why so defensive when I label you like this, when I am taking the literal interpretation of the concept? It is black and white with me. The gray is agnosticism, believing that you must need physical proof to support a God or Nessy for that matter. The fact remains that atheism is a faith. The literal term. I can say I am a worship Satan but am still a christian, but many would argue that both aren't compatible. I see agnostic/atheism in the same light. They aren't compatible IMO. One believes there is no God and the other doesn't believe because they have no physical proof there is one.
