Detroit

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by THE HCP, Sep 24, 2013.

  1. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    71,450
    Likes Received:
    60,149
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
    I don't quite know where to start. This isn't a new topic by any means. I love architecture, and am always checking out websites and reading articles about it. Found one on the city of Detroit, Michigan. Started digging and reading about what is happening to this place. It is basically a third world country within our borders!

    It's the only major city without a major grocery store chain. People have to go to the suburbs to buy food. People are planting gardens in abandoned lots to grow food. RIGHT IN DOWNTOWN DETROIT!

    There are so many dead bodies turning up in these old run down buildings and so few cops and paramedics that they sometime go years without being found.

    I was wondering if any of you are from there or have any knowledge on what went down and why this can be allowed to happen in the United States. It's like a post apocalyptic town. They said the city is filing for bankruptcy.

    Just can't believe it.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    94,044
    Likes Received:
    57,192
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    We allowed our companies to take their work overseas to China, India, etc.

    Blue collar towns like Detroit lost all their work.
     
  3. Further

    Further Guy

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2008
    Messages:
    11,099
    Likes Received:
    4,039
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Stuff doer
    Location:
    Place
    I don't have any answers for you, but I'll be flying into Detroit for Halloween. My sister lives in a smaller town 45min away called Plymouth, a very charming town that's thriving. I won't spend anytime in Detroit proper. I have driven through and gone to a couple of bars in decent areas, but just gettting to those bars is freaky, passing blocks without electricity, I drove past one house that had a hole in it you could drive a van through, I have no idea how that happened.

    It's sad as hell. I heard that there is 49% illiteracy in Detroit. Those that had the means to leave have left. Those that remain are broke and lacking marketable skills. That's a big generalization but you get my point.
     
  4. porkchopexpress

    porkchopexpress Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2008
    Messages:
    1,628
    Likes Received:
    60
    Trophy Points:
    48
    There is a whole foods going in pretty close to downtown, so I'm sure there are other grocery stores somewhere. I was there last fall and they were building it. It was right next to some big hospital. Across the street from the hospital was a nice coffee shop. 3 more blocks and it was...abandoned projects.
     
  5. TradeNurkicNow

    TradeNurkicNow piss

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    5,196
    Likes Received:
    676
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    hell
    Location:
    shit
    Dude, where have you been? This is old news.

    You can buy a 2000 sq ft house for like, 500 bucks there.
     
  6. porkchopexpress

    porkchopexpress Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2008
    Messages:
    1,628
    Likes Received:
    60
    Trophy Points:
    48
    btw, that abandoned train station is pretty neat to check out. You can't get inside without hopping a fence though, so i didn't get a real good shot of it.
     
  7. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    94,044
    Likes Received:
    57,192
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Shit, I'd just buy a whole block.
     
  8. porkchopexpress

    porkchopexpress Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2008
    Messages:
    1,628
    Likes Received:
    60
    Trophy Points:
    48
    This was the oddest/scariest part of Detroit that we saw. It was a whole neighborhood that is abandoned and turned into...art. We drove into it, not knowing what to expect. I thought we were driving into a horror movie, ha.

    I only spent part of a day in the city, but it seemed like there was some attempted at a revival going on. That coffee shop would have been at home in Portland (was better than any I've been to in San Diego for sure) and there was a big farmers market that we walked through that was pretty good. It was just in between these nice spots were blocks and blocks of empty projects that need to get torn down.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. TradeNurkicNow

    TradeNurkicNow piss

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    5,196
    Likes Received:
    676
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    hell
    Location:
    shit
    Right? However, apparently all the houses have been stripped of anything that can be sold, so they're basically just frames. Also there are sometimes dead bodies in them because people can't afford to have their family members processed when they die, so they just leave them in abandoned houses.
     
  10. mobes23

    mobes23 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    1,254
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Actually, I think a lot of the problem in Detroit goes back to a couple Supreme Court decisions involving desegregation in schools. If I remember right, one decision basically said that desegregation in schools needed to be viewed broadly across a metropolitan area and the view couldn't be restricted to the Detroid city limits. In other words, HCP might've been bussing to Lake Oswego under that approach. If that approach had held, there likely would not have been nearly the amount of white flight problems in Detroit. Instead, another case followed (just looked it up and the case was Milliken v. Bradley) and the US Supreme Court held that you had to handle desegregation in the city limits. In short, HCP might dump Grant and ride the bus to Cleveland High, but he couldn't live his dream of being a Lakeridge Pacer.

    The impact of this decision was that anyone with money (largely white, but not all white) slowly but surely took off for the suburbs. Other cities in the 70s had similar problems on a smaller scale, but Detroit was ground zero for the impact of the decision. I won't ever forget my first and only trip to Detroit...I went to one of the last games at old Tiger Stadium and was there for the weekend. HCP does not exagerate when he says it feels like a different country...it's like you'd stepped into a post-apocalyptic world or something. As I was leaving town, I was in a cab and the cabbie asked where I was from. I told him Seattle and he said, "Well, you don't live IN Seattle but near it, right?" He couldn't believe a city existed where people chose to live in the city instead of the suburbs. I mentioned the CEO of Starbucks lived in the city and he couldn't believe it.

    Like everything, the truth is more complicated than my summary, but I think it's basically right. Hell night and other things have happened, but I don't think Detroit would be where it is today if not for those court cases.
     
  11. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    71,450
    Likes Received:
    60,149
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
  12. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    71,450
    Likes Received:
    60,149
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
  13. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    71,450
    Likes Received:
    60,149
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
    How can they fix all this shit?
     
  14. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    71,450
    Likes Received:
    60,149
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
  15. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    94,044
    Likes Received:
    57,192
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Blood is thicker than water...
     
  16. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    Messages:
    50,346
    Likes Received:
    22,532
    Trophy Points:
    113
  17. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2009
    Messages:
    30,672
    Likes Received:
    8,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired, while you work!
    Why doesn't the City just allow successful bordering suburbs to expand across the city borders, and incorporate the land into the thriving suburbs? This could be done over many years, a few blocks at a time.
     
  18. mobes23

    mobes23 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    1,254
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Artists and hipsters with not much cash (looiking for a cheap start) need to move in and make it cool and quirky.
     
  19. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2008
    Messages:
    9,315
    Likes Received:
    3,004
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well if I get a bunch of guns and body armor and bullet proof glass would I be safe there? Hmm I could probably save enough money in the next few months to retire in one of those mansions.
     
  20. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    Messages:
    50,346
    Likes Received:
    22,532
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hipsters don't really touch black neighborhoods until the blacks move out to follow the whites and mexicans move in to take their place.
     

Share This Page