Lie? It's not lying. It's recognizing someone else sees things differently than you do. And that people know who they are better than you do. And yes, for the millionth time, it is an insult, and as of now I'd say deliberate, to call a transwoman "he" and a transman "she".
Mediocre Man (and others) have repeatedly received personal attacks because they refer to a biological boy as "he" ON THIS BOARD, not to the boy's face.
Yes, it is an insult. And it's an insult when other people are forced to change their beliefs, even if they are intending no disrespect. So your approach is that someone will always lose.
Read crandc's post. She's telling it like it is. YOU may not care that you're insulting someone else who's different, but you in fact are. That is, if you call a she a HE because it's YOUR preference. It's beyond an insult, as it borders on encouraging the violent behavior toward these people that is evidenced by the death threats against the transgendered homecoming queen. I don't see how you can be respectful toward someone to their face and be disrespectful behind their back. You are, in fact, being disrespectful, period. Bigot is not an insult. It is a statement of fact. If you are told you are one, deny it and prove you aren't. : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance (I don't see that it's derogatory)
Oh, I know where you're coming from. I respect it. We're from the same generation, so I'm on your page for the most part (as I believe much of our generation is - there has been a big shift with each generation). I have a heavy science and mathematics background. I view many things from that approach/viewpoint, but I also have an understanding of love, compassion, respect for others. So while I have my beliefs and my viewpoints that at times have boundaries, I hardly consider them narrow, as my respect and love of others balances what I observe of others. I don't really care if you're straight, gay, transgender, transsexual, whatever. I'll respect you, as long as you're respecting me. And if you're cool, it's quite likely we'll be friends. I have a lot of "weird" friends as many people would call them. To them, I'm pretty simple/straight forward dude, so I'm probably weird to them. As much fun as we have, and as many similarities as we might have, it's actually our differences and varying beliefs that make the friendships valuable. I grew up hanging out with crowds that all thought so similarly, and it was easy and comfortable, and we were peer-pressured into seeing and believing the same things. It's quite cool to hang with a crowd of people with such different values and beliefs, but we all love and respect one-another and our varying beliefs.
Doesn't it depend on the belief? If someone is asking you to change your belief in or against a higher power I agree but if you're being asked to change how you address or label a person of color I would say that your beliefs should change.
So are you saying crandc, who is clearly stuck in her single position that he viewpoint is absolutely correct and all others are incorrect, is a bigot?
She's not intolerant of any particular groups of people. That's the kicker. Denying a person is who they know they are is being intolerant. Apply that to all transgendered (or gay, or whatever) people and you have intolerance toward a group. Strictly by the definition.
You already said it - it depends on the belief. Now you're asking me to change my belief in a higher power? If I'm respectful to a person, as long as I don't have any malice or intended hate in my heart, it shouldn't matter what my belief is. My belief is my belief. And for someone to force their belief onto me is wrong. Then that person is failing to show a lack of understanding, and is a bigoted. We don't all have to have the same beliefs.
Read the part I bolded: "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices;" The part after the semi-colon is an add-on. crandc is intolerantly devoted to her opinion on this. If I don't accept her POV, I am a bigot? But if she can't accept that other people have different POV's, she's not a bigot?
So it's OK to believe that some other race is inferior and you're not the bigot. The ones who don't accept your view are the bigots? That's just weird. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but that's how it's reading.
I don't care one way or another. I just find this oddly amusing that there are people here saying their viewpoint is incorrect, and that only their one viewpoint is correct and anyone who sees differently is a bigot. That's some good irony there.
Really? Well, that's what you're doing. When did I say anything about race? When did I call anyone inferior? It's weird. You don't want to put words in my mouth, but you just put "race" and "inferior" in my mouth? Very odd.
It's not an issue of opinion or prejudice. She has no opinion of the homecoming queen's gender. She simply accepts the homecoming queen at her word and by her deeds and actions.
I read Sly's post. He changed the topic. I said nothing about race or inferior. I was saying nothing about race or inferiority. That was pretty clear. I was sticking to the context of the conversation. So yeah, back to it. You put words in my mouth.
She has an opinion that her viewpoint is the only one that properly exists; all other viewpoints are incorrect and bigoted. Again, she's intolerantly devoted to her opinion/viewpoint on the subject. Like I said, I don't really care. I find it ironic that the person calling out "bigots" has one POV only, and all others are incorrect and intolerant.
