Nonsense. Kobe prefers not to be called a rapist. Creationists prefer to be called god's children. Ugly people prefer to be called attractive. Stupid people prefer to be called smart. Murderers prefer to be called innocent victims of mistaken identity. John Boehner would prefer to be addressed as Mr. President. Never gonna happen.
Sorry, but I strongly disagree. This is Natural Law. All Men Created Equal kind of stuff. Not opinion. There's no requirement that one be tolerant of whatever groups one chooses to be intolerant of. But that makes one a bigot.
Wikipedia's definition of bigot: Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's ethnicity, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.
That's innaccurate. crandc is extremely intolerant of all men who exhibit decidedly male traits and attitudes, all political and social conservatives, and generally anyone who doesn't agree with her on issues important to her. I'm not saying she should BE tolerant of these people, just that she isn't.
So, by this basis, the use of the word "bigot" has been used incorrectly several times on the board recently.
I'm not defining it. It is already well defined, and hundreds of years ago. It is the basis for modern enlightenment and international law.
By you ;-) It is a fact that one shows contempt for a transgendered person by: 1. She's not a she, she's what I want to say she is 2. Because she went out in some public place, she is asking for it 3. Because she calls attention to #2, she's an attention whore And assorted other denial of rights and/or privileges: Particularly Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness (Natural Law!)
I already showed you how she was a "bigot" according to a definition you posted. But in all seriousness, I don't really think she's a bigot. Is she a bit narrow-minded, for better or worse? Yeah, she has a stronghold of her beliefs and she gives the appearance that their unchangeable. Cool by me - I don't really care. I was more or less using the word "bigot" to point out the irony, and I genuinely believe several posters here have directing it towards other posters way too freely, and it's not very cool.
In general, I don't think she's very narrow minded. She's vocal about pointing out injustices when she sees them. She'll probably admit she was wrong about wanting the team to draft Durant over Oden. Haha. I cannot stress enough the Natural Law /Rights aspect of this. Sly made the reference (similar holding to such beliefs if racist...). It is very much a civil rights issue. Once you get that, the rest is obvious. Like I said, it isn't a derogatory word. It is no more derogatory than "homer" for a sports fan. Here's the definition you misused again: : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance See the word especially? Just so I can be fully precise: A civil right is an enforceable right or privilege, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury. Examples of civil rights are freedom of speech, press, and assembly; the right to vote; freedom from involuntary servitude; and the right to equality in public places. Discrimination occurs when the civil rights of an individual are denied or interfered with because of their membership in a particular group or class. Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/civil_rights
If whether or not being bigoted is up to semantics, it's probably not being bigoted. Bigot is a powerful word and has much stronger connotations than how its being used around here. Calling someone a bigot if they are ignorant of an issue is incorrect. Calling someone a bigot because they hold a belief is incorrect. Bigotry is about actions.
Actions like... Posting insults toward one of the groups described by the definitions? How much of a difference is there between posting death threats on the homecoming queen's Facebook page and posting elsewhere that she was asking for it? Voting in a referendum against marriage or right to serve or to adopt? If ignorance and intolerance go hand in hand, it is bigotry. Edit: I really like the words "equality in public places" in the Cornell law school definition of civil rights.
There is a big difference, especially to this community. Do you think anyone around here besides maybe BenDavis503 would do something so stupid as to make a death threat online? Prrrrrobably not. However, it seems that people around here view this forum as place to sound off and to test the limits of freedom of speech. And I think that's fine. This is all part of the process. But when people are expressing their internal beliefs, whether or not those beliefs are informed opinions or gut feelings or somewhere in between, that can't be bigotry. It's not an action. We are transforming our thoughts into digital characters, putting pen to paper as it were, and simply communicating. Actions. Bigotry. You're conflating ignorance with intolerance. Those are two different things. As long as we're citing Wikipedia (my adviser would kill me): "Ignorance is a state of being uninformed"
You don't have to make a death threat action. You can unwittingly encourage it by expressing intolerance. Enthusiastically. Refuting Reason. And it is very hurtful to people in whatever group to read even here. Equality in public places. I'm fine with letting people ignorantly act like bigots. If we're going to allow this expression, then we have to let people call out the bigotry where it is. It is how you have free speech; fight bad speech with good speech. And your invention of a requirement for action isn't in the definition of bigot. Not anywhere I've ever read but your previous post. I know what ignorance us, and it's no defense. I'm not conflating the two, I am reading the combination of the two plenty.
This definition. I just don't think your belief make you a bigot. It's what you do with your beliefs. On this board, people tend to think out loud, which is protected speech. I am certainly allowed to think out loud in response and challenge what they say. I don't call people here bigots because I haven't seen anyone here treat anyone differently because of their beliefs.
