procure: 1 a : to get possession of : obtain by particular care and effort b : to get and make available for promiscuous sexual intercourse
Speaking-wise, the whole "trans" add-on is awkward and not very accurate in describing anything at all. It means "across", "beyond" or "on the opposite side". Can't imagine using it to describe a human being to someone. I have no problem with how they self-identify, it's just not how I identify with others. Name, character, talent, occupation, whether they are a good person or an asshole, those are ways I describe people I guess. I don't say "Billy, my African-American friend, is also coming to the party." I say "Billy, my friend from work, is also coming to the party." Or "Billy, the singer in our band, is also coming to the party." Hey Denny, I really dislike sociopaths. Does that make me a bigot?
Not sayin' I don't like Trans, cuz I do. [video=youtube;QSNQhLm1V84]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSNQhLm1V84[/video]
So, if a man of color that prefers to be called an African-American is called a black man when he's not present, it's a civil rights violation? Go Blazers
Please ignore my race, my gender, my sex, my political leanings... when addressing me. They call me MARIS61.
What if a woman trapped in a man's body later decides that they were wrong about that, and realizes they really are a guy? Or just decides they would rather be a guy? Or, what if they're just plain nasty, and would rather be a guy today and a gal tomorrow because that's hot to them? Would someone have been wrong to have identified them from the start as a guy because they are plumbed male? Or would someone only be right during the period he/she changed their self identification to male or bi? If they settle on their self identify as bi, is it violation of their civil rights to call them a guy? Or is that just stupid, because a TG person would never, ever be that sexually confused in the first place? Go Blazers
A lot of TG people don't take hormone treatment, cross dress, etc. It's not a simple thing. Especially with societal pressures, bigotry, etc. The rule is you call the person what they look like. Dresses like a woman, she is a woman. The civil rights issue is about unequal treatment and worse. Worse means violence towards and even killing of these people for no reason other than they are "different."
Oh, OK. So when I see little girls who like to dress like and play with the boys, I should refer to them as "he"? Got it.
Why do so many of you care if someone, an adult, wants to be called a "she", while outwardly appearing to be the opposite gender? Who cares if you think she should be called a "he". It's not up to you. To me, it's the same as someone who is gay. I don't know why this has any impact on your life, or why you should have an opinion on whether or not they are called something other than than what they prefer to be called. If you want to be called Lord Fluffy pants, that's fine by me (but that's not the same thing, but if you've reached the point where you have to make that silly of a point, the argument is already lost)
Denny, I did not realize I was gay when I looked at Playboy. Actually the posed, hypersexualized, fake model type leaves me cold. I "reazlied" I was gay when I finally learned that there was a word for what I'd always felt. That's true for most of us. Blazing Giants, I believe you (unlike some others) have good will so I will try once more. Do I say that only some views are right? Frankly, yes. Everyone may have the "right" to an opinion but some are based on facts and some are not. I'm sorry, but on this issue you are wrong. It's not a matter of "lying". There are people who genuinely believe the moon landings were faked. They might ask if they are supposed to lie and say the moon landings happened when they are convinced the landings did not happen. The problem is that their opinion is not based on reality. The moon landings happened. They are simply wrong. I don't believe you are this kind of nut case; I deliberately brought up an absurdity to make the point. Being transgender is not a fad or an idea or a preference or a mood. It is a reality for transpeople. I am glad you would not threaten or actually carry out rape or murder of a transperson, unlike the hundreds who threatened this woman because she wanted to be called her correct gender.
I used the playboy magazine example to point out there was an "aha!" moment where you realized you were attracted to girls. Before puberty, I wasn't much attracted to girls; didn't really think about it much, if at all.
Whats interesting about that situation, what if she had actually be, an honest to god, "unattractive" woman who looked more masculine than feminine? I think it's safe to say the host knew who she was, and made a choice not to refer to her as a "she" or 'her'. If she had a woman (I know this sounds like I'm being hypocritical here, but I'm not as up to date on how to differentiate here), I doubt anyone would've done the "that person" routine and gotten away with it. Admitting or saying someone is a 'she' or a 'he' (when they're born the opposite sex/gender whatever the term is), doesn't do anything to you. It doesn't make you less masculine, or manly. It just seems to be a waste of time to refuse to do something so simple.
Why do people care about how the words in our language are defined and what they mean? Yeah, that's a really great question. [/green font] It's called communication. Society can't exist without it.
