That is an interesting take considering the actual text of Section 5 of the 14th. "Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article." I kind a take it that Congress is empowered, not the executive.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...cts-14th-amendment-to-raise-debt-ceiling.html President Barack Obama has neither the legal authority nor the practical ability to bypass Congress and extend the nation’s borrowing limit, and attempting such a step might trigger turmoil in the markets, two top White House advisers said. National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling and Obama adviser Dan Pfeiffer were responding to some congressional Democrats who urged Obama to extend the federal debt ceiling without congressional authorization under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. ... Proponents cite the language of the 14th amendment, which says that the “validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payments of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.” Obama and his advisers have consistently rejected using the amendment to justify raising the debt ceiling without Congressional support.
When considering the "effects" of the government shutdown, I think we should differentiate between the effect on government employees and the effect on the overall citizenry. Yes, those who aren't being paid by the government are hurt by this, but then the question is, how would they be hurt if they were private sector employees? Or (as Denny has implied), how much smaller could our government be and still accomplish its role?
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...efund-obamacare-suicide-caucus-geography.html 18% of our country has hi-jacked the rest.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...t-delaying-obamacare-but-oppose-defunding-it/ How are things working in the country today? Almost all voters -- 88 percent -- say “the government is in charge of the people.” That includes 83 percent of Democrats, 88 percent of independents and 94 percent of Republicans. Only 8 percent feel “the people are in charge of the government.” (that would mean the tiny % of people that are the government workers have hijacked the rest)
Nice strawman - try staying on topic. I think I've made clear that I don't have a positive view of the government. But this is about the shut down, and it's ideologically driven by a very small minority of the population. Not even the majority of Republicans, or Republican leadership, agree with how this is being handled. And please, don't ever use Fox News as source of reputable information.
You posted 18% of the country has hijacked the rest. I posted a poll that most people think even fewer have hijacked the rest (government). Fox News polls are fine.
It amazes me how people discredit Fox News because it's GOP heavy; yet they post articles and statistics from msnbc or CNN and say those liberal heavy networks are being fair.
In addition to the several examples you have been given in this thread (your answer after being proven wrong was, "Shit happens"), here's what happens when private industry operates with too little government supervision even WITHOUT a shutdown. Imagine the lack of supervision in this private Lockheed factory WITH a government shutdown. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/10/02/204042/pentagon-report-rips-texas-f-35.html
Ain't it grand ? Govt shut down, so they can't be bilked in things like the F35. I bet the jack booted thugs who extract taxes from us all aren't furloughed.
I watched CNN a lot back when they had Crossfire. Then I switched to MSNBC with Hardball. Holy Cow! they changed over night, could not stomach the bugger any more starting about 2008. I do tune in Sweet Cheeks Maddow though, about one a week just to keep up.
Interesting. According to this article, the govt. is spending 83% as much as it was before the "shutdown." http://washingtonexaminer.com/where...7-percent-government-shutdown/article/2536862 For Brian and those who mentioned civilians who work for the DoD et al: So my question for Brian is if they passed the military pay act and it was signed before the shutdown had any real effect, why wouldn't you be paid on time?
