You're absolutely wrong, and not even close. Not even close. One of the dumbest posts on this thread.
You can be called Lord Fluffy pants all you want, I don't want to think about it. However, if some dude wants to dress up like a woman and expects to use the female facilities right along with the ladies and girls, I think that is a pervert and it should be explained to him in clear and forceful language that it is unacceptable.
Where is the evidence that it is not just an idea, preference, or mood? It is a reality for transpeople in the same way God is a reality for religious people. Neither is a reality for me.
Why would you have a contrary opinion? Do you have any daughters? How about grand daughters? No you say, but you do have pervert friends, hey! Well perhaps you should do the explaining and not leave it too me or my agents.
Since there are those here that want to think there is only one 'right' way, and I don't feel like anyone explained my questions in my last post, I'm going to try again. Mom and Dad have a child with a penis. At 4 years old, child says they feel like they are a girl trapped in a boy's body. They also say that they want to be referred to as she. Mom says 'Ok, I'll buy you some girl's clothes and I'll refer to you as a girl." Dad says he doesn't believe his child is old enough to know they are a girl trapped in a boy's body, but he will refer to them as she when they are together. Further, he will insist that others refer to the child as she when the child is present. However, when they are not together, he still refers to his child as 'he'. Now, two years pass, and the child comes to his parents and says, "I was wrong. I've met a girl I like, and I now understand that my feelings are different, and I now understand that I am a boy. Please stop referring to me as 'she.' My question: Was Dad wrong to have continued to call his child a 'he' that entire time? Go Blazers
oldguy, maybe she met a girl she liked because she's a transgender lesbian. I don't know where you got your hypothetical scenario but it shows you know nothing about transpeople. Did you decide you wanted to be male? Was it somethig you could just change your mind about? Why do you think transpeople decide on a whim and can just change their minds? Are you unaware that many, perhaps most, transpeople spend YEARS trying without result to change, or are sometimes forced by ignorant parents or otheres to try and change and cannot do so any more than you can?
Yeah, I get that that is another possibility. But, it's not the situation I presented. You are the one that says we can ONLY think one way. So, can we just address the situations I'm presenting, instead of making up something completely different? Because they are confused about their gender because their plumbing doesn't line up with their chromosomes? Because being confused would seem to present the possibility that they are sometimes wrong the first time that they self identify, especially for a child? Are you saying the TG people never, ever change their minds, even if they are very young when they first decide with which gender they identify? They later discover they were wrong 0% percent of the time? I doubt that. And, if they are not correct with their first self identification 100% of the time, then you should not be talking in absolutes about how people should refer to them. Let me try another scenario for you and Denny's absolute positions. What if a sick Mom raises a male child (XY w/penis) as female, forcing them to dress like a girl, and behave like a girl. The child is virtually coerced into asking to be referred to as a girl. Dad does that in the presence of the child (because he's a shitty Dad, but it makes Mom happy), but still refers to 'him' when the child isn't present. Is it impossible that the child would identify male later in life? If the child did self identify as male later, would Dad have been wrong to have continued to call the child 'him' for all those years in between? I offer this hypothetical to show that everyone that had referred to this child as 'she' (even though the child was not TG) based on how the child presented, was wrong, and the Dad was right. Go Blazers
Why don't you provide our society with a list of words that should be defined and a list of words that shouldn't. I'm sure language and communication will hold up well.
Some you guys need to take a gender studies class or two, because these questions are fairly complex and need more informed answers than any of us can give. Unless the questions are rhetorical and you don't care what the answer is.
Here's what I really don't get: How can gender both be a fluid societal construct, yet simultaneously be a fixed aspect of someone's personage from birth? Aren't those two concepts contradictory?
I didnt make a stink about how to refer to.someone else. Why dont you provide examples thst are causing the end of.civilization?
You say gender is a "fluid" concept because you're used to thinking of gender as binary; in fact, it is a spectrum. You fall somewhere along the spectrum.
You either agree that our language and words have meaning and definitions or not. If people assign any meaning they want to a word, there is no point in language and communication breaks down. Do you honestly disagree with that?
That still ignores the crux of the question. Is gender a social construct, or an essential aspect of ontology? Or if both, how does that work?
