A civil discourse on the 2nd amendment

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    The words "well regulated" might be a clue.

    Sounds like practice, and don't shoot the guy in front of you if he's on your side.
     
  2. MarAzul

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    The right to bare arms shall not be infringed is the only imperative in the 2nd.
    The necessity of the people to be armed to have a well armed militia, just one of many reason why the "Right" to bare arms is required.
    Of course, our rights come from God and so we have implemented a government to protect those rights. The enforcement of the 2nd amendment
    is the follow on of the clear intention for the government as proscribed by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence.
     
  3. oldguy

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

    Keeping and bearing arms is a constitutional right. Registering guns simply gives the government the ability to confiscate those guns when they decide to take that right from you.

    Go Blazers
     
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  5. Denny Crane

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago

    McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), is a landmark[1] decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that determined whether the Second Amendment applies to the individual states. The Court held that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" protected by the Second Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.
     
  6. Further

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    Are the rights being infringed to not allow felons to own guns?

    And does requiring registration infringe on ownership, it doesn't stop the purchase, just allows the govt to understand the flow of weapons and know what weapons people had access to when crimes are committed.
     
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    The current background check form asks if you are a felon, as it should. The best way to keep felons from having guns is to put them in jail for a long time when they are caught with a gun, or lie about being a felon on the background check. Mandatory. Every time. Hard time.

    Once your gun is registered, government can come take it at whatever time they choose. Imo, that is a realistic concern.

    Government doesn't need to know the flow of weapons or what kind of weapons you own. If you have a constitutional right to possess them, it's none of their business.

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  8. BLAZINGGIANTS

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    Agreed on the felon thing. I mean, I can't tell you how many people I know, and how many articles I read, where serious offenses are pleaded down. Considering the frequency, you have to start to believe people with felonies on their records are some serious offenders.
     
  9. MARIS61

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    Absolutely untrue.

    The Second Amendment's sole purpose was and still is to provide a check and balance (an armed citizenry) against our government's necessity to have an armed military. It cannot be infringed.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Sure, because we know criminals are deterred by prison terms, that's why there is so little crime and so few people in prison.



    Imo, that's about as realistic as saying that once your car is registered, government can come take it at whatever time they choose.

    Big if.

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    Those words refer to our military, for obvious reasons.

    Funny how few people understand plain English, and the concept of Freedom.
     
  12. Denny Crane

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    Shall not be infringed. Imagine the stink if people actually had to produce can ID to vote!
     
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    There is only 1 comma, after the word State.
     
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    My position is whatever the police have, I should be able to have.
     
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    Good contribution and impact on the overall conversation

    Thank you for stating your piece.
     
  16. Further

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    seems to me understanding where and how the criminals got their guns would also help the situation. I do agree penalties should be higher when a felon is caught with a firearm, but getting those guns into the law abiding hands and away from criminals should also be a focus, and that means registration and tracking.

    As someone else mentioned, you registrar your car, is the govt coming to take that? With 300,000,000 guns in the US, the government is just not going to come take guns from law abiding citizens. Americans would never stand for it, the police would never comply. It just isn't happening.

    But we might be able to figure out how to make sure you, a legal owner, have all the guns you want, and the criminals have fewer.
     
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    We've always had open access to donuts. We just don't get to eat them on company time like the police do.
     
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    Dont forget this important element, the courts have ruled you have no right to police protection.

    You cannot demand it and you cannot sue if it is not provided.

    Legally, you are on your own.

    This is in direct conflict with those who would restrict the rights of self defense.
     
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  19. MarAzul

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    Spot on Masbee.
     
  20. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    It's always been pretty obvious to me that the intention of the second amendment was to keep the populace armed in case the government ever got to big for its britches. The Brits tried to disarm the populace before the Revolutionary War. The founders understood that the only way to keep the government honest is to keep the populace armed.

    A militia is not part of the government. A militia is a group of regular people. It could be any group of regular people. To claim that the National Guard is a "well regulated militia" is ridiculous. They train with the US Military, they are deployed with the US Military overseas, and they wear uniforms that say, "US Army" on their blouse. They are basically just an arm of our military, so anyone who claims that they fulfill the "well regulated militia" part of the amendment is wrong.
     

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