Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

no, but I also don't agree with people who argue that it's a settled question.

 

Hey mags, I'm curious, if you were presented with actual evidence that Jesus was completely fabricated, would you actually listen and review the evidence?

 

Absolutely... I even read this hack's attempt. It was really funny too. You should read that review I posted. Seriously hilarious

 

You know, I don't think it makes any difference. I spent about 5 years time studying to answer the question, Why to men need religion? The answer is not easy to come by when you are a doubter like so many in here. But the answer is really simple, the world works better that way.
Jefferson was not a religious man but he chose to use this phrase in the Declaration of Independence, "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,"

He was right to do so, it is a prescription for freedom to understand that you best not look to men to give you your rights. Not only is it above their pay grade, you must reserve your rights
as beyond doubt that you processes them unequivocally, out of reach to men desiring power.


Then there is the observable truth that people live better lives when bound together and treat each other civilly under the commandments of religion. How much better places like Chicago would be for citizens to live if it were not populated by so many godless, fatherless, feral children hell bent on destruction of the other fellow. Chicago is but one example.

The benefit of the Judeo Christian philosophy is all around us every day. Over 80% percent of our population profess to be part of this though out this country. Very few of the problems we have in the country comes from these people, overwhelmingly the problems come from those that have not been taught to live withing this philosophy and the commandments that are really only rules of civility.

 

I know what you meant. I was just pointing out that your deduction doesn't seem logical because you think the target audience isn't any kind of authority in the first place. It doesn't follow you would deduce that Atwill has issues based on what other atheists think. Yeah I know you would easily logically deduce that he is full of it for many other reasons, but not that one.

 

Jefferson was a intellectual deist, not a Christian, in fact not "religious" at all.

1. this statement seems borderline racist (maybe a little chain yanking involved here which you like to do). 2. The issue is with poverty and lack of education, not lack of religion. Europeon countries dominated by atheism have some of the highest standards of living in the world. Obviously 3rd world countries bound by Islam don't treat each other anywhere nearly as civilly.

what you are calling Judeo Christian philosophy (individual freedoms, golden rule, general empathetic behavior) predates the rise of Christianity and has virtually nothing to do with commandments in the bible or any other religious book. morality does not come from religion. it comes from evolution and common sense.

 

I see. Well please explain why this morality or civility is missing where the feral children are killing each other at an astonishing rate. Or they kill some unsuspecting fellow from Australia out for a jog. Or they pull some dude out of his Auto and beat him senseless in front of his family. Godless and fatherless for the most of them.

 

I agree with fatherless being a problem - gangs are in essence a substitute for the breakdown of the family/clan unit due to poverty and lack of education.

Inserting "Godless" doesn't make any sense however. Religion has historically been one of mankind's most violent influences.

 

A man that learns the Golden rule, Marries the mother of his children in the eyes of God, does his job as a father and neighbor.
He may also understand Jefferson's prescription for freedom and his philosophical use of religion, as sparingly as he used it.

 

this is cool, but it kind of blows my mind. How can you have a real relationship of any kind with a god you allow could be discredited at any time, even if you think the current evidence doesn't do so?

 

again this sentence would be great without "in the eyes of God". that's just an unnecessary, unwarranted insert.

golden rule/family unit are beneficial for individuals and societies for logical reasons that have nothing to do with religious commandments.

again, even though Jefferson endorsed it you shouldn't need "endowed by the creator" to see the social benefits of individual freedoms. it's common sense. modern morality would have the same benefits with or without the implication it is something intrinsically endowed. the morality you refer to is in fact a secular thing you are attempting to attach religion to.

 

Why? You put a belief on science that's model is to always try and be proven wrong? What's the difference?

 

I'm not having conversations with an invisible friend.

 

I was just saying he wasn't religious, or a Christian by any standard definition. I misread what MarAzul implied in that paragraph, sorry.

 

Irrelevant... You made a comment that I believe in something that others are trying to refute; saying "it blows your mind". Your belief dose every time

 

Yes I can see you have a firm grasp on why what isn't working has nothing to do with what is missing. You shouldn't need what 80% of men use to help them.

 

as previously noted all you have to do is look outside the USA, or at the history or religion to see that there is no causal relationship between belief in god and the adoption of your modern morality.