Blazers & Timbers endorse same sex marriage

Thread gets moved to OT and goes completely off the rails

 

The point is that the "non establishment" politicians quickly turn about face when elected. Obama is a prime example.

 

I think Obama is plenty competent, honestly. He is just a politician, and he makes promises he can't/won't keep. Your libertarian idols are no different.

I will not notice that. I'm not at work, dammit.

 

Denny, I am not sure how this became a libertarian thread or why you accused me of hating libertarians. I knew several members of the Libertarian Party in Portland. We disagreed on a lot of things - gains won in long and bitter struggle, like civil rights legislation, minimum wage, social security. I did not and do not think that a person who is sick, old, disabled or impoverished should to told "suck it up, buddy, you're on your own", even if the person is 3 years old. Not surprising they were all white, male, and not really part of the work force (usually students with casual jobs). But we agreed on many things. In fact I met them while protesting U.S. military involvement abroad. We approached from a different place; theirs was isolationism and mine was solidarity, but we agreed on the issue. And on getting rid of bloated military budget. On many social issues we totally agreed. Women's reproductive rights. Gay rights. The right to assisted suicide when a person was incurably and painfully ill. Separation of church and state. And they were all big supporters of science.

The so called "libertarians" in the Senate and House are nothing more than extreme right Republicans. Look at your pal Rand Paul. He supported the Blunt Amendment which would allow employers to veto an employee's birth control. He supports the "personhood" amendment, which would outlaw abortion in all cases and outlaw most forms of birth control. (Ironically, his namesake Ayn Rand, while explicitly anti-feminist, also strongly supported access to birth control and abortion.) Incidentally, it would also redefine rape in such a way as to make the majority of rapes "non-rape". He supports Christian prayer in school, rejects global warming, rejects evolution, supports teaching creationism in schools, opposes marriage equality, opposed repeal of "don't ask don't tell". He has yet, so far as I know, to call for reducing the military budget that was doubled in the first Reagan administration, although the U.S. was not at war - and then doubled again. How's that for big government and deficity spending? He has been a regular speaker at the far right "Values Voter Summit" which absolutely supports government intervention into private lives, especially women's (or don't we count?)

Rand Paul is a far right Republican who opposes NSA spying - now. Would he oppose it if a Republican, especially himself, was president? He may or may not support legalizing marijuana; I will not give up all my rights for being able to smoke a joint.

 

I said namesake, not named for. I was not attacking your personal views, I was attacking the views of those in Congress. As for "your on your own", that is pretty much what I have heard. BTW, do you know that seniors used to be the poorest age group? They are not any more because of social security. BTW again, taxes are the lowest they have been since what, 1930s?

I simply do not see how someone can say they are for "individual liberties" and at the same time force every woman to carry every pregnancy to term against her will no matter what. After denying her birth control! How do you enforce that? Monitor every woman's menstrual cycle? If a person is prohibited from making the most basic decisions about her life that is not liberty!

For an educated person to say he/she really doesn't know the approximate age of the earth is either incomprehensible ignorance or pandering to religious right.

Rand Paul is for individual rights for well off straight white men. As long as they don't get sick.

 

Adidas America joined with Oregon United for Marriage this week as well.

 

Corporations and politics should not mix. I just want to wear my athletic clothes without being interrupted with any political thoughts.

 

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Sarah and I wanted to thank everyone for all the love and support. We couldn't be happier. What an amazing week it's been. #honeymoon

 

I agree with every word of this sentence, in even more ways than you did.