they have to do something because this team stinks. Fuck Kreider, he's done shit for us. Trade him for a guy that can score, a vet or prospect, whatever. This has to be the only team that cannot produce a prospect that can score goals.
For DZ to get max value in a trade you'd have to include a decent prospect with him. It's not too late for another team to get him turned around, but I just don't think he has the toughness or instincts to be an upper echelon puck mover in the league. Take what you can get for him which is average value, maybe Edmonton is willing to move Hemsky now for a DZ and prospect. I wouldn't trade Kreider just yet, I'd play him for a month or two and see how he trends, let's not forget he's only played in the playoffs and a handful of games in a strike year. One 20 goal guy isn't going to make all that much difference this year so they may as well wait a bit longer for a Krieder to see where it goes.
Kreider I could go either way on. If we could get a big haul to help now I would deal him, otherwise hold for sure. DZ I would deal now for sure. Just no two ways around it. You package him with a mid prospect and you can get a decent scoring winger that can score 15-20 goals.
A 15-20 gl scorer for MDZ + a prospect is a terrible return for a player of his age and potential. There were over 85 players who scored 20+gls in the last full season, so that's not an impact a strong return in any way.
At this point that is what I would take for him and a low to mid level prospect. A good professional scoring winger. Someone who can score 20 or so. 2 years ago I would NOT have taken that for him. Either that or hold him and re-sign hm for 3 years at 3 or 4 mill per...your call.
may sound crazy, But what MDZ needs to do is get into a scrap or take an opportunity and stick up for a teammate. this will go a long way to get that scarred look he has in his eyes when he plays the game. when he gets that monkey off his back, the game will become calmer for him, and he will have a renewed confidence
If they could get Vrabta and Yandle for DZ, Kreider and a 1st i'd do that. That would be a nice package.
8.2 mill for 3.9 mill...no shot we can afford that. As is we will be slightly over the cap when Hags comes back. We need to make some cost savings moves and get rid of the dead weight if we have other moves on our mind.
Yeah, apparently when I come up with these I'm oblivious to the cap.lol Phoenix is off to a good start too so they probably wouldn't go for it anyways. But a trade for those elements is what they need.
Chuck has been wanting to sell high on del zerro for quiet sometime. the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old
Oh and btw...buzz..really...it doesn't take a genious to think that the rangers would be looking to make a trade...but here is the million dollar question. ..what team is as desperate as the rangers tjat can afford to give up a proven goal scorer? the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old
So after 23 regular season games experience the Rangers should give up on Kreider and JT Miller and his 26 games of experience? Aside from Richards and Callahan this year the whole team is playing like garbage whether it's AV or just a general lack of talent still remains to be seen 7 games in, a few of the Rangers losses have been to very good West Coast teams. Every year starstruck Chuck thinks there is that magic bullet to bring home the Cup. First it was a must to sign Richards in the off-season salary cap be damned, then it was Nash despite the history of injuries and some questions about full-season effort, now it's some random 20 goal scorer for youth. There are a lot of 20 goal scorers who come to NYC, can't handle the pressure, become the bane of fans and leave with their tail between their legs to end up resuming their success in another city. As far as MDZ goes I would pay him what Girardi makes all day come negotiation time, he is averaging half a point per game and a career -5 and I think there is still upside to his game. Staal and Girardi are career +3 but get a pass from most on their equally inept play this year, you pretty much know what you have with Girardi and Staal may show some sign of his former defensive prowess but he's no offensive juggernaut. I'm still optimistic about AV bringing offense to the Rangers when he gets his full team back, just needs to stop being so stubborn with Pyatt (please cut loose), the Hobbit (ditto) and Boyle (Marcel Hossa 2.0).
Who said the team should give up on Miller and Kreider? I don't think anyone is pushing for that. If the Rangers could get a great package for either of those guys, sure, but outside of that no one is coming on here saying they must deal Miller and/or Kreider. On top of that, I said they didn't need another star. My opinion was add another solid vet scorer who can net 20 or so goals and I will be happy. So starstruck...swing and a miss buddy. Lastly, I have been saying what you said. Pyatt needs to be gone. The guy is useless. And worse yet is AV loves him for some reason. Plays him on the PK. Plays him on the 1st line. I am sure it is due to them being together in the past, but whatever the reason is, it is not good. Let's bottom line this thing, without Hags, Cally, and Nash we stink. That is it. Our lineup is below average with those guys, without them it is a minor league lineup. That's reality people. And what's happens from here will honestly depend largely on how quickly Cally and Nash can return. Cally could be out another 3 weeks. Nash hasn't even stepped on the ice since getting hurt. So I think we are in some trouble. At this point it would be impossible to not be concerned about Nash IMO. Who knows when he will be back. The guy has concussion issues now, and that is scary. That's just the way it is. We'll see if we can overcome things, but without Hags (should be back game 11), Cally, and Nash I don't love our chances. And that's just being honest.
We can only improve with other kids in the league who do not make much. Right now only Sabres and Oilers are looking for a trade.
LOVE THIS THREAD. Every year the Rangers are exploring. It has been 14+ years and Mr. Sather is still exploring ....and still cannot get it right. He continues to dump draft picks for under performing hockey players. About half of the players on the team cannot get him extra picks. Teams that were worse than the Rangers are steadily improving and by-passing them. Can it be that people in the organization are continually under performing and not getting the right players? The Rangers are always regressing so they can be an average team. They seem never to get beyond mediocrity. It is frustrating rooting for mediocrity. NY pro teams suck big time.
I will say it everytime NY pro teams under perform. There aren't any doing real well these days. Are there? LOL. GO RANGERS. Prove me wrong. Now on to the Giants' board. LOL
Play the kids SINK OR SWIM. I am convinced more than ever that the only way to turn this team around is to play the young players. The only way they will gain experience is under NHL conditions. This year will be tough to watch, but in 2 or 3 years they HOPEFULLY will have proven themselves and this team will take on the better teams. Look what has happened on Long Island. The Islanders have struggled for the last some odd years. Now look at them. They have obtained very talented hockey players and they have meshed into a formidable hockey team....... they have passed my Rangers again. Stop the merry-go-round and start developing new blood.......instead of somebodyelse's problem. Sather has fiddled too long with this team.
