What your government can do for you...

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  1. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    So to get this straight...

    Seattle decides to take down the viaduct and build a big-ass tunnel. As part of the construction, they'll temporarily lose some parking spots (which, according to my basic understanding of economics, would make existing parking spaces more valuable). Enter 103-y/o Myrtle Woldson, who owns some waterfront property that she's actually using for parking stalls already. City wanted to buy it from her, and she said no. They then said that if she doesn't sell, they'll pass a law condemning and then seizing her property. She has started to negotiate.
    http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2013/10/15/seattle-still-playing-hardball-with.html
     
  2. KeepOnRollin

    KeepOnRollin Well-Known Member

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    I was going to say that I have no words... but I do.

    I own this land but the city, state or government can decide they need it more and just take it without payment? Not that this is anything new but it seems to be sliding down the slippery slope even faster lately.

    This world we live in now is ridiculous.
     
  3. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Not without payment. Without choice, but with payment.

    barfo
     
  4. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Well if we don't have choice in a democratic republic what do we actually have?
     
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    KeepOnRollin Well-Known Member

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    I didn't read the whole story yet but from the quotes above they make it sound like sell it to us or we will confiscate it. So you could sell it with payment or they could take it without payment. So they are forcing your hand. And I am sure there has been a instance somewhere at sometime in the past where the government was able to take something without payment.
     
  6. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    If they condemn, they seize it and she gets no payment. That could potentially be why she's negotiating.
     
  7. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    The illusion of choice.
     
  8. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    So take the blue pill is what you're saying?
     
  9. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I think people are happy as long as the tv works, the internet is on, and there's food in the supermarkets. People are oblivious to what's going on around them. They get up, they go to work, they go home, and they watch TV or play video games or look at funny shit on the web. People don't want to know how bad it is. They don't want to think about how large the government has become.

    The perfect example is the Edward Snowden thing. People were outraged.... for a couple weeks. What's come of it? Virtually nothing. Here we have proof that the NSA is breaking the law, violating the constitution, and illegally spying on its own citizens. What did people do? Post angry message on the internet and put on a couple demonstrations. That was it. The government is doing something that nobody wants them to do, but does that matter? Nope.
     
  10. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That is not correct. They can force her to sell it. They cannot take it for nothing.

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  11. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    That's what they're doing though, so they can and they will!

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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    No, that is not what they are doing.

    barfo
     
  13. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    "But now Seattle council members want the property just for parking, and are considering a bill that would authorize city staff members to force Woldson to sell.
    Even after learning that Woldson is willing to talk to the city, the council on Monday gave preliminary approval to a plan to possibly condemn the property. The council’s final vote on the bill is scheduled for Oct. 21."

    So what are they doing?
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    They are forcing her to sell. Not to give it up for free.

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  15. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    It looks like Seattle is a place where the courts have ruled for "just compensation". That's not always the case, but it is here.
    City of SeaTac v. Cassan, 93 Wn. App. 357 (1998)
     
  16. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    What's the quickest way to contaminate the land?

    Scorched earth strategy!
     
  17. KeepOnRollin

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    I think there are certainly cases where you should be forced to sell your land (provided you get a fair price) to the government (local, city, state, or beyond) but this is just not one of them. Where do they draw the line? They don't from what I can tell but there should be something set in stone that does.
     
  18. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    That's funny, Woldson doesn't sound very much like a Native American name...
     
  19. TradeNurkicNow

    TradeNurkicNow piss

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    Come on guys, forcing people off their land under the guise of "improvement" is an American tradition. Why do you hate America?
     
  20. BLAZINGGIANTS

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    Personally, I blame the hipsters! :MARIS61:

    Most people (especially at S2) like to blame Obama, though.
     

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