Wired: We’re About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It

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  1. santeesioux

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    Once upon a time, companies like AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, and others declared a war on the internet’s foundational principle: that its networks should be “neutral” and users don’t need anyone’s permission to invent, create, communicate, broadcast, or share online. The neutral and level playing field provided by permissionless innovation has empowered all of us with the freedom to express ourselves and innovate online without having to seek the permission of a remote telecom executive.

    But today, that freedom won’t survive much longer if a federal court — the second most powerful court in the nation behind the Supreme Court, the DC Circuit — is set to strike down the nation’s net neutrality law, a rule adopted by the Federal Communications Commission in 2010. Some will claim the new solution “splits the baby” in a way that somehow doesn’t kill net neutrality and so we should be grateful. But make no mistake: Despite eight years of public and political activism by multitudes fighting for freedom on the internet, a court decision may soon take it away.

    http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/so-the-internets-about-to-lose-its-net-neutrality/
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Sorry, but I don't see what all the noise is over this issue.

    We've had premium bandwidth for years and end users don't give it a thought. Yes, Google has amazing bandwidth, reachability, and proximity to the end user. Can you remember a time when Google was actually down or you couldn't reach it? I mean when you had an actual internet connection so it would be their "fault."

    I've had both Cox and Time Warner cable and both block port 80 so I can't run a WWW server off my consumer line.

    In fact, consumer bandwidth is almost universally asymmetric. That is, you get much faster speeds downloading than you do uploading (uploading is roughly equivalent to serving WWW pages). On top of that, if the neighbors are all playing video games, my bandwidth could be squeezed to something lower than I pay for.

    They have had QoS (quality of service) routing for a long time, too. Audio and Video streams get higher priority so they're not interrupted by everyone downloading the latest Ubuntu release or OSX release or apps on their phones or whatever.

    S2's servers are hosted at a carrier grade facility. The bandwidth and everything about the hosting is premium. It costs money.

    I'm sure GoDaddy pays for premium bandwidth, too. If you host your WWW site with them for pennies, you can serve WWW pages using that bandwidth, too.

    What am I missing?
     
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    But dem evil ISPs Denny!
     
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    It's the possibility of only getting NBC content if you're on Comcast... The ability for cable companies to use access as leverage in negotiations. Just because that's how it is now doesn't mean it's right.
     
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    If your ISP denies you quality of service, find another ISP.

    If there aren't other ISPs, there will be.
     
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    How long does it take to spin up an ISP?
     
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    Seriously? 30 days - I did it once.
     
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    We should all just use BBSes.
     
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    Who's infrastructure did you use? How was your speed?
     
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    There isn't that much choice in the marketplace, in my experience.
     
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    I don't know, Denny. I've studied this topic for a good 5 minutes now, so I might be completely off base.

    But suppose I get my internet service from Comcast (I do). Suppose Comcast is evil (it is). There are other internet service providers available, but they'd all be slower.

    Now suppose Comcast decides it wants to make money from S2, so it tells you that you can either pay them, or they'll make your site run so damn slow I can't post.

    Is that not a problem?

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    I bought from multiple carriers for redundancy. It's called being multi-homed.

    How was the speed? Terrific.
     
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    While it's technically possible, they already don't do blocking or filtering by single IP en masse. It's a huge burden on the carrier infrastructure. Rather, they deal with whole blocks of IP addresses, so they'd be blocking S2 and hundreds of other WWW sites. Or not.

    Google CIDR if you want to read about it.
     
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    So if spinning up a terrific ISP is so easy, why are there so few options in Portland?
     
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    Yeah, if there were billions of dollars to be made, I doubt anyone would invest in infrastructure... certainly not a big phone/cable company.

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    Five of the top 10 are the same provider: Verizon.
     
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    There are 94 of them.
     
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    Netflix hosts on Amazon AWS cloud services. The two companies compete with streaming video services. Imagine that.

    Netflix is paying Amazon to build the infrastructure required for its service.

    Netflix is not paying Time Warner or Cox or anyone else to build the infrastructure to deliver their content.
     
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