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  1. JeterRules20

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    This right here is a mind-scratcher...

    "Yankees: While mostly writing about Brian McCann, George A. King III of the New York Post noted that also "on the Yankees’ radar is Cardinals outfielder Carlos Beltran, Reds outfielder Shin-Soo Choo and Indians pitcher Ubaldo Jimenez.”

    All of these players, including McCann, received qualifying offers, so if the Yankees sign one of them, they will lose their first-round draft pick. If they sign two, they will lose their first two picks. What’s really bonkers to imagine is a New York team in need of a transition to the future giving up its first four draft choices to sign all of those free agents, while also blowing past the $189 million luxury tax threshold. King doesn’t suggest this, though — the presence of all of these players “on the Yankees’ radar” really indicates that the Bronx Bombers are weighing their options."
     
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    I don't think they will sign Beltran or Jimenez. I see them making an offer for McCann and if Choo doesn't sign early then maybe making a late run at him.
     
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    Point was made on "Hot Stove" this AM was that until the fate of Arod is determined the Yankees will have to hold their moves in check.
     
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    This is what annoys me about this situation too. Even to compete again next year (by doing what the do best....overpaying free agents) they will once again be hurting their future in both involving more constricting contracts and giving up more draft picks.
     
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    Well if they wait until the bitter end they will wind up with Cody Ransom at third base and Nunez at shortstop when Jeter can't play. They are going to have to make some moves because this Arod saga will be going on forever. If they wait until the bitter end next years team will look like a AAA or worse team.
     
  7. yankeesince59

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    ...lol...if, as so many seem to believe, the Yanx are completely incapable of developing their prospects, why are losing draft picks an issue at all?...besides, the Yanx made 3 QOs of their own and therefore will likely get back some compensatory picks of their own.
     
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    ...you're absolutely right, Jill. The Yanx do not have the luxury of waiting on ARod's appeal. They should take each FA as the opportunity presents itself...by the time the arbiter decides ARod's fate many of the FAs will already be signed.
     
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    but why? that makes no sense
     
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    Because it drastically impacts what they can spend, and therefore who they should target and for how much.

    You don't really believe the yankees are going to simply forget about the Lux Tax issue do you? Thats all BS to appease a fan base who saw this new ownership group do what thier father never would have...essentially tank a season. Remember they told us LAST year too that they would always do whatever it takes to field a championship caliberteam.....ah yea...2013....not so much.
     
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    ...uhh, no...and it wasn't BS last year either...whether they spent wisely last year or not, the young Steins still spent $236.2 Mil while the Lux tax cap was at $178 Mil. That forced the Steins to also have to pay a 50% Lux tax as a repeat offender. The Yanx tax bill was $29.1 Mil.

    ...to put it in perspective, the entire Houston Astro's payroll was $21 Mil.
     
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    They spent to ensure they didnt breach the tax reset cap. That actual annual lux cap limit is not their concern. The tax reset is. And yes it was total BS. There is no way THAT mess of a team ever resembled a championship caliber one, and everyone knew it.
     
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    ...uhhh, nothing was said about whether the money they spent was spent WISELY and afforded them a "championship team"...the subject was about the amount the spent, not how they spent it.

    ...sorry, but spending $59 Mil over the cap is not "tanking a season", which is what you incorrectly claimed.
     
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    No they very much tanked it. They added broken down players on quick and dirty deals and prayed. They pretty much all failed. They added no one of significance paying very close attention to the 2014 tax limit. They did not make those moves to field the best team possible, the made those moves to ensure they staying in line for the 2014 tax reset. THAT was their goal, not winning a WS, and it was very obvious.
     
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    ...but that's not what you said, is it?...you were speaking of HOW MUCH THEY SPENT as tanking the season, but now predictably, playing the "no, that's not what I meant" card? As usual, you mis-speak and when called on it, you vainly try to change the context of what you actually said.

    ...I'm done with your lame BS already...see ya.
     
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    I said they told us the same BS last year that they would so whatever it takes to field a championship team. They didnt. They made sure 1st and foremost that they didnt add any payroll to the 2014 budget. THAT was their goal. I think you need to read up on the 2014 labor agreement and how the 2014 limit impacts the yanks if they do or do not get under that cap. You might understand better.
     
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    ...no jackass, that's not what they actually said...if you are going to quote someone do it correctly...as usual, you are lost.
     
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    yea I'm lost. Tell us what they spent in 2013 again...as if that matters at all.

    Getting below the threshold would reset the Yankees’ luxury-tax rate from 50% to 17.5%

    "All I can continue to tell everyone is our commitment to the fans is never going to change. We will always field a championship-caliber team. Is our goal [a $189 million payroll] next year? Yes. But [we’ll go that low] only if I’m convinced if the team I see, that we’ve put together, is a championship-caliber team.”

    Bullshit. They sure didnt do that in 2013.
     
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    ...you really are a festering miserable wretch...the tax base was $236.2 Mil...and the main reason that short term deals were given last year was because of injuries, to Tex, Jeter, ARod, Granderson, et al...who were all expected to return this year...but according to you it was because they didn't want to commit to contract for 2014...I really don't think this Baseball thing is for you...try basket weaving.
     
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    I dont think it, i KNOW it. and once again, 2013's payroll DID NOT MATTER. its shows you do not understand the situation at all.
     

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