Fair enough. But I would say that 90% of them are. So to stop the 90% that are, ref get your ass in position and stop rewarding floppers.
Flopping rules: It lists as follows: Violation 1: Warning Violation 2: $5,000 fine Violation 3: $10,000 fine Violation 4: $15,000 fine Violation 5: $30,000 fine Violation 6: Subject to discipline reasonable under the circumstances, including an increased fine and/or suspension
Tacit admission by the league that their employees suck at their job would pretty much unravel the authority they hold lol. Now, if the refs were their own entity and not paid directly by the league, I'd see how this would work. But I'm not sure the NBA would ever even indirectly admit their refs are lazy jackwagons who ball watch stars.
See, I disagree. It IS the player's fault. It's also the ref's fault and the league's fault. There is no single way to address this. It can, and should, be addressed in multiple ways to completely root it out. Players who are trying to act their way to a win, rather than play their way to a win, should be severely punished. After all, they are the ones initiating the offense. The refs aren't making these guys flop, they're just rewarding them through their inability or unwillingness to do their job correctly. I think fines and suspensions should be levied against both players and refs. Maybe $100K fines to the team for not reigning their players in?
which is the problem. Flopping fines should be a percentage of the players salary. Those fines might be a bit unpleasant to the Victor Claver's of the world, but the LBJs of the world don't even notice that much.
I agree with this. If I were king: Fine the player (no warnings) 5k and up, with suspension on the third violation in a season. If there was a whistle and the ref in question was out of position when he called it, suspend him a game without pay. Remove the points from any free throws from the player who made them, and from the team's total points. If that results in a loss, change their record to reflect. Fine teams with more than three flopping violations in a season equal to their coach's salary for as many games as there were flopping violations. Or... Remove free throws. All fouls result in getting the ball back with 16 seconds on the shot clock (why they didn't up from 14 to 16 when they changed the 10 second clock to 8 I'll never know). Don't allow substitutions between foul and inbound for the fouling team, and if a player fouls out, they lose that player (4 on 5) until they get the ball back. Okay, not really, but it's fun to think about major rules changes.
You wouldn't have to publicize it at all. Just weed out the bad ones. The referees themselves can do it. It's really not that hard to get rid of folks and promote others. Our association does it all the time.
And you would advocate for all of that drastic shit (that will never have a chance of being implemented) instead of simply telling the ref to get his lazy ass across the key? Labor isn't the problem. It's management.
I dunno. Was it the official under the hoop that called it? Cuz I see two officials that should have had a good view on the play, and I just can't figure out how either would call a foul on that.
The refs are their own entity. They are a union and inside their union they can dedicate themselves to getting rid of flopping. The league could hold them accountable for it. But no, they just want another revenue stream.
Now I KNOW why it was a bad call and why the ref was too LAZY to get his ass over there. It was Dick Bavetta... He should KNOW FULL well not to call fouls across the key out of his area. Terrible Call Dick. You need to retire and let some younger guys take over. Put these old dogs out to pasture...
I guess the point I'm trying to make is there is no reason for fines, no reason for suspensions. It really really is as simple as it being an internal matter. You screw up at work you get written up. You get 3 write ups there's disciplinary action up to and including termination. Simple shit.
Most refs like me look at that play and completely understand why Dick Bavetta fucked up. And why (since he chose to not move to the strong side of the ball like he KNOWS he's supposed to) he shouldn't even be LOOKING in the direction of the play. He is "Off Ball" right now and his vision is simply in the wrong area. What he needed to do was move to Strongside Ball and MAKE that side of the key his primary area. Since this did not happen, DON'T GUESS. He guesses wrong and now we're addressing an "issue" that can easily be solved before it happens.
I mean, Dick isn't far from the play. I'd argue even if he wasn't in standard position, he is as close to the play as any official and should have had a straight view of the action..... So, he's either trying to help Houston out or he's flat-out blind or he's lazy in his calls, all three of which are serious problems for an official.
It's just a lot to adjust to; we hate floppers and we hate refs, but if the solution is to punish neither, how will we feel satisfaction?
You have to understand the areas of responsibility. There is never a situation where the Lead official should call a foul across the key. It's simply not his call and his vision should not even be there regardless of where the ball is. Even Bavetta's foot position is wrong. He should be at a 45 degree angle facing his competitive matchup of Howard/Jordan. Not guessing on a play that's completely out of his area.
You see my avatar? Put a line straight down the middle of the key from free throw to baseline. Since Bavetta did not adjust his position and get across the key to the strong side, he should have his vision on the right side of the key. He is epitomizing something you learn NOT to do in Middle school ball. Don't watch the ball. Watch the competitive matchup in your primary Area. Bavetta is failing at Middle school Mechanics...
Whats weird to me about the whole thing is that the league obviously knows flopping is going on and could very easily resolve it and much quicker with better and harsher punishment but chooses instead to present an option that MAY help but in a much longer time frame. Makes me wonder how much they really "dont like" flopping. Obvious the money part of things is still a factor and they dont want big players missing games and that trumps the quicker and efficient resolution.
They should be concerned more now that Houston has basically admitted to team wide flopping as one of the three pillars of their offense.
