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  1. Denny Crane

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    Do aliens really do the anal probe thing?
     
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    lol Oslwald :rolleyes3:
     
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    You're living proof that a bat shit crazy person can accomplish incredible things.
     
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    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the kettle calling the pot black.................
     
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    If you heard that a member of this forum killed the president you know the first person you would think did it was Maris61.

    (And by posting this comment the NSA and Secret Service will probably be all over my shit.)
     
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    He almost certainly acted alone. Every reputable investigation of the case has come to that conclusion.
     
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    They held a congressional hearing and investigation on this in the 70s that concluded there was likely more than one gunman. But I suppose it depends on what you call "reputable". You can say someone has a bad reputation just because you don't like what they're saying, but if you're an intelligent person you look at the evidence itself.
     
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    Did you watch that Nova special?
     
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    The 2nd gunman theory was deduced from the recording of a motorcycle cop's open mic. The recording was so noisy it is dubious that you could tell if there was the supposed gunshot.

    That was discussed in the Nova program.

    These were forensic scientists. Highly trained to look at all the evidence there is.
     
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    I thought it was hilarious that since he was a Navy man the Navy insisted on doing the autopsy when they weren't trained to do criminal investigative autopsies.
     
  11. Denny Crane

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    Maybe the one guy with 47 years experience is too old to understand how the science works anymore? :)
     
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    The most reputable study was by Congress, which concluded Oswald did not act alone. Many other reputable studies said the same.
     
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    Honestly, the open mic thing alone is not a very compelling piece of evidence for me.

    One thing to keep in mind is that Oswald never had his trial. JFKs limo was immediatly strip cleaned so we can't look at that evidence, and the autopsy notes were burned. One piece of evidence we do have is the "magic bullet" that supposedly rendered all of those wounds to Kennedy and Connely, and it looks like it was fired into a hundred pillows. It was clearly a planted piece of evidence. Let's get real here.

    We also have JFKs jacket, showing an entry near his right shoulder blade. I"ve seen those vids where they position the men in such a way as to get all those points lined up, but it doesn't match the zapruder film, and the point of entry doesn't match JFKs jacket.

    Also, Oswald's first show would have missed 30 feet high and 40 feet wide in order to land by James Teague, then he gets the last shot dead on, and in the time given, he wouldn't have much time to aim. It was a POS rifle with a defective scope.

    Anyway, I know Im not going to change anyone's mind here but to me this is one of the most obvious conspiracy theories ever....
     
  14. Denny Crane

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    See? You throw out "facts" that are trivial to debunk, but because there are so many of them to debunk, the conspiracy must be true.

    For example:

    The autopsy notes weren't burned. The investigators on the NOVA program examined those notes. They examined JFK's clothing. They said the photos taken during the autopsy were stunning in their graphic detail compared to what we typically see in the public domain.

    It wasn't a POS rifle with a POS scope. It was an Italian military rifle and the bullets were full metal jacket. In fact, the bullets were designed to work with the gun to come out of the barrel straighter than for most guns. Oswald practiced a lot with the gun to be accurate beforehand.

    The pristine bullet? They fired one of those bullets through 3 feet thick pine boards and it came out "pristine." The bullet wasn't pristine, in any case. It tumbled after passing through Kennedy and hit Connally and got squashed as it passed through him.

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    On the Nova program, they showed pictures of JFK's and Connally's clothing. If you notice, the bullet hole in JFK's jacket is round, because the bullet started tumbling after it left his body. The bullet hole in Connally's shirt is length-wise bullet shaped, because the bullet hit him as it was tumbling. They showed the bullets did tumble after being shot through things that emulated bone and muscle on the test range, using 10000 fps cameras and so on.

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    Found this on WikiPedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle

    Skeptics have argued that expert marksmen could not duplicate Oswald's alleged feat in their first try during re-enactments by the Warren Commission (1964) and CBS (1967). In those tests the marksmen attempted to hit the target three times within 5.6 seconds. This time span has been heavily disputed. The Warren Commission itself estimated that the time span between the two shots that hit President Kennedy was 4.8 to 5.6 seconds. If the second shot missed (assuming the first and third shots hit the president), then 4.8 to 5.6 seconds was the total time span of the shots. If the first or third shot missed, that would give a minimum time of 7.1 to 7.9 seconds for the three shots.[60] Modern analysis of a digitally enhanced Zapruder film suggests that the first, second, and final shot may have taken 8.3 seconds.

    Many of CBS's 11 volunteer marksmen, who (unlike Oswald) had no prior experience with a properly "sighted" Carcano, were able to hit the test target two times in under the time allowed. The only man who scored three hits was a firearms examiner from Maryland by the name of Howard Donahue.
     
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    It's been noted in a few military history books how it didn't perform very well in combat compared to the rifles of other nations. The Italian goverment wanted to replace it for inadequate performance, but it stayed in use because it was cheap. But anyway, this is not definitive either way, but it was a bolt action rifle.

    It would be extremely difficult to even be able to fire off 3 shots in the allotted time, and the 1st shot would be the one that was aimed, the 2nd and 3rd would just be load and shoot. But if it had coming from the book depository, the 1st bullet missed ridiculously high and wide, and the third shot was dead on, fired on a moving target through foiliage.


    This is the bullet that supposedly caused all those wounds. It would be much more deformed if it had caused all those wounds the official story claims it does.

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    I've seen vids where they line up JFK and Connelly in such a way that you can draw a straight line through all their wounds. Now this idea the bullet went through this line while tumbling is ridiculous beyond belief. Have you thought about what you're saying here?
     
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    Watch the Nova special. It was pretty cool. They took an honest look at all of that. I'm not saying it will change your mind. I don't care if it does or not but it goes into great depth on the magic bullet. You would like it.
     
  20. Denny Crane

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    Yeah, I thought about what I'm saying here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-bullet_theory

    At the time of the autopsy, toward the end of the procedure, initial probing of the shoulder wound suggested the bullet entered the base of Kennedy's neck at a 45 to 60 degree angle. However, this angle is precluded by geometry since the shooter, to obtain such a steep angle, would have to be standing on the back of the limousine or from a higher position at the Texas School Book Depository (indeed, much higher than the roof of this seven-story structure). The bullet is believed to have been fired from the sixth floor [~60 feet up] of the Texas Book Depository and traveled horizontally ~200 feet at ~16 degree angle [arctan(60/200)]. The street sloped at 3° 9' away from the Depository,[60] making a total angle of about 19 degrees. However, a bullet entering the President's back at the location shown in the preceding autopsy photograph about 1.5 inches below the collar line, passing over the top of the right lung, and exiting at the throat tracheostomy incision wound in the President, as theorized in the single-bullet theory of the Warren Report, could have caused all of the damage to Kennedy and John Connally.

    The weight of bullet CE399 was reported in the Warren Commission Report as 158.6 grains (10.28 grams). It was found that the weight of a single, unfired bullet ranged from 159.8 to 161.5 grains with an average weight of 160.844 grains.[61] The lead fragments retrieved from Connally's wounds in the wrist (there were no fragments in the chest)[62] weighed about 2 grains (130 milligrams).

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    Trajectory of CE399 according to modern analysis. Note relative positions of seats.

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    Trajectory of CE399 according to some critics. Trajectories such as this one gave rise to the term "magic bullet."
     

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