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  1. Sinobas

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    That's another good point Denny, they recovered fragments of bullet from Connelly so where were those missing chunks from the bullet? A bullet could not tumble through in a straight line through all that bone and flesh and come out looking like that.

    I don't agree that it would have been impossible for Oswald to hit Kenndy from that window, but keep in mind the last shot was through trees. The more important evidence for me is the eye witnesses, the doctors at Parkland hospital, and investigating the people involved in the event. There's a lot more to it than just the shooting.

    Ed Hoffman, a deaf mute, actually saw the gunman fire and dismantle is rifle from behind the picket fence.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Check out the Nova special. I provided a link to it on the first page.
     
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    The wound to JFKs back game about 6 inches below the collar and to the right of his spinal column. I don't think you need to be a geometry major to know the trajectory of that bullet would have had to be up to exit Kennedy's throat.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    [video=youtube;6lctNvwvHoY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lctNvwvHoY&noredirect=1[/video]

    This video is much shorter. It's a CBS interview with the forensic scientists from the Nova show.

    Sinobas,

    Look at this picture again. When the bullet hit and flattened, 2 grains squirted out the bottom end like toothpaste from a tube when you squeeze it. That's consistent with what they found.

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    More from WikiPedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_bullet_theory

    A Discovery Channel television special, Unsolved History: JFK — Beyond the Magic Bullet, attempted to replicate as well as possible the conditions of that day. The participants set up blocks of ballistics gel with a substance similar to human bone inside. These studies showed that it was possible to produce largely undeformed bullets, if they were slowed by a passage through a tissue-like substance before striking bone.

    Next, two mannequin figures made of ballistic anatomical substances (animal skin, gelatin, and interior bone-like cast) were set up in the exact relative position of JFK and Connally. A marksman fired the same rifle model found in the Book Depository from a distance equal to that of the sixth floor of the Book Depository building, using a round from the same batch of Western Cartridge Company 6.5x52 mm ammunition purchased with the surplus Carcano weapon in early 1963. The path of their single bullet (followed by high speed photography) duplicated, almost exactly, the wounds suffered by the victims that day, the only difference being that the bullet did not quite have enough energy to penetrate the "thigh" substance in front of the Connally figure, because it struck an extra bone in the "rib" model (i.e., it fractured 2 ribs in the model vs. one rib in Connally). It was also slightly more deformed than CE 399, possibly for the same reason. However, this bullet came close to duplicating all wounds in both men with a single shot, with a bullet having little deformation.[75]
     
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    The preponderance of the evidence supports the single bullet theory.
     
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    Let's get real here. This bullet shattered Connally's ribs and fractured a big bone in his wrist, implants in his thigh then just "falls out" and was discovered on the ground by a janitor. Bullets don't just fall out like that. A bullet would not look like that after hitting all that.

    We can talk about the magic bullet all day long, but there's a bigger picture here.

    And why is there so much missing evidence now? The government says the presidents brain was missing. Why was so much evidence pertaining to the case locked up in the interest of "national security"? Why was his body illegally taken and the autopsy done in secret? Why don't we have public documentation and examination of the limo, examining the holes etc?

    The autopsy was performed by someone who had never done a gunshot autopsy before? Why would they chose amatures to do the autopsy on the president of the united states?

    His brains were blasted out the back of his head, that's what all the doctors and witnesses report. Jackie Kennedy climbed on to the back of the vehicle to retrieve a piece of his skull. His head goes violently back and to the left at the time of the shot.
     
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    Take a look at Zapruder frame 230. Kennedy is obviously reacting to having been hit. He'd been hit about a second prior to this shot, so by this time, the bullet would have had to have already entered Connally's left shoulder, excited his chest, broken his wrist and be implanted in his thigh. But you see his holding his hat with his right hand, while his wrist is supposedly shattered. As you can see, they don't line up like they do in those new graphics that have come out.


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    Denny, take another look at the test bullets that were done for the Warren Commission. The ones they fired into cotton swabs are the ones that look like "the magic bullet" they fired test bullets through the rib of a goat, and through the radius bone which is the bone factured in Connally's arm, and both show marked distortion, and this magic bullet broke both of them.
     
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    Watch the Nova video in the first post.

    I have no vested interest in this conspiracy theory one way or the other. All I can do is watch the CSI kind of guys over and over again refute what the unqualified blogger types post.
     
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    Denny, take a look at those trajectory photos you posted. There are two big problems with the straight line analysis. One, see how the straight line diagram has the outside of Conally's shoulder flush with the middle of Kennedy's head. It sure does not look to me like Connally is setting so far inward relative to Kennedy. It also relies on Connally making a strong twisting motion, to get his right shoulder going left, which you can clearly see from the frame I attached, he was looking straight forward.

    It's just shannanagans to get a bullet to exit from the presidents throat, going down and to the left, to enter Connallys right shoulder.

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    The CSI guys looked at the film, too. And used lasers and 3D models to figure out how it all went down.

    So far, how many things have you come up with that have been shown wrong?

    It started with burning of the autopsy report, and went nowhere from there...

    If you look at how the seats actually work in the car, Kennedy is sitting on a bench seat and Connally on a single seat. Connally's seat is several inches away from the door.

    It also looks like that photo is taken at the airport, not at Dealy Plaza.

    FWIW.
     
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    Compare the Nova documentary to the Zapruder film, and you'll see that the men were not doing what is depicted in order to get the shot to line up. It's just a hack job made to support the official story. Kennedy would have to be leaning really far forward BEFORE he was shot, to get the trajectory to go form his back to his throat.

    Connally himself has said that he was hit by a different bullet than Kennedy. Connally's surgeon, Dr. Robert Shaw, and the nurse who attended the surgery says the pieces removed from his wrist were much bigger than what had apparantly flaked off the "magic bullet".
     
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    Plus, Connaly's arm is touching the top of the door almost at the elbow, and the top of the door is touching closer to Kennedy's armpit than it is his elbow...
     
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    Kennedy may well have been a few inches to the right of Connally, but that still doesn't rescue the single bullet theory. So this is sorta like debating weather or not my dog can ride a bike by measuring to see if his feet can reach the peddles.

    Constructing computer models is all well and good, but they don't mean much if they don't match what actually happened. They also fall far short of explaining the condition of the bullet, which broke Connally's rib and a large bone in the wrist.
     
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    [video=youtube;PfSXkfV_mhA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfSXkfV_mhA&noredirect=1[/video]
     
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    The condition of the bullet has already been addressed. In several reenactments, the bullet hit both "people" and came out pristine.
     
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    So you did watch the Nova special?
     
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    Big deal, one documentary. Networks have always run documentaries on anniversaries divisible by 5. The ones in 1968 & 73 were conservative. The ones shown in 78, 83, and 88 were liberal, against the lone gunman nonsense. As intelligence agencies regained control, the documentaries went conservative again.

    Simulations, both computer and actual shooting, have concluded either way. Nowadays, documentaries go the CIA way, but back then almost all simulations pointed against the Warren Commission. You skeptics who disagree with the majority of Americans should know that one singular event trumps any simulation.

    E. Howard Hunt admitted that he was part of the group who killed the President. 9 years later, he led Nixon's Plumbers, a bunch of CIA burglars who broke into Democratic leaders' offices including the Watergate, in the fake election of 1972. His confession is worth 100 of your contrived simulations.
     
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