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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Area 51 was a conspiracy theory. Now I think we know there actually is an Area 51. It just isn't the home of alien technologies and autopsies on alien corpses.

    Right Maris?
     
  2. MARIS61

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    Everything bad we have ever discovered about our government started as a conspiracy. Each and every discovery. It's how it works. We'd never know shit without guys like Snowden. Our government lies to us or tells us nothing.

    A Real American figures out we've been bamboozled and tells the country. He/she is immediately called a nut by the government to discredit him/her since the evidence certainly can't. Gullible tv viewers..er, I mean citizens brainlessly parrot the charge and if that doesn't quiet the Real American he dies in an auto accident or has a heart attack.
     
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  3. Denny Crane

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    To a "T"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Conspiracism_as_replacing_democracy

    Some scholars argue that conspiracy theories once limited to fringe audiences have become commonplace in mass media, contributing to conspiracism emerging as a cultural phenomenon in the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries, and the possible replacement of democracy by conspiracy as the dominant paradigm of political action in the public mind.[25][41][42][43]
     
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    MARIS61 Real American

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    I've never been there, but people who worked there have been adamant that these things did actually occur. I've never given much thought to alien life, or bigfoot, or whether there's such thing as a non-pedophilic catholic priest.

    But I do care about America, and whether criminals, murderers, and racists wield power over her. And it's clear they do.
     
  5. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Only since 2006. It got worse in 2008.
     
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    I watched it and the ballistics test did not at all confirm what you've stated about the tumbling bullet being able to do the damage it did and come out in that shape. The showed that the bullet tended to tumble, and that it could penetrate enter pine without deforming much.

    Pine is one of the softest woods. If you want to see what it would look like after breaking a rib and wrist, isn't a better test to actually fire through those bones? (I've already posted the results of those tests).

    Why didn't they show us the tumbling bullet breaking something equivalent to bone? A tumbling bullet bullet, and one that hits things sideways is going to lose power.
     
  7. MARIS61

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    It started long before I was born, increased steadily over my lifetime, seemingly snowballing since the Grand Excuse of 9/11. The figureheads/parties in place had little effect on the direction the US took from term to term.

    The same objectives and outcomes are sought by those producing the show no matter which acting troupe they hire for the gig.
     
  8. SlyPokerDog

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    Nice! But be honest now, you want to blast some caps into some ballistic soap now don't you?
     
  9. Denny Crane

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    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/wound3.txt

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    THE BULLET FRAGMENTS IN GOVERNOR CONNALLY:
    
    WERE THERE TOO MANY TO HAVE COME FROM CE 399
    
    
    The following is from John Lattimer's KENNEDY AND LINCOLN,
    pp. 285-288.
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    
    So-called Pristine Bullet Is Not Pristine; It Is Both
    Flattened and Bent
    
    
         This bullet, if seen only in a side view, which has
    been widely republished by critics of the Warren Commission
    report, appears to be deformed very little. In fact, its
    apparent lack of deformity permitted critics to describe it
    inaccurately as a pristine bullet.  
    
         Assassination buffs have tried to discredit the Warren
    Commission report deduction that bullet 399 could come out
    with so little deformity after doing all this dirty work in
    two victims. They have even elected to try to discredit the
    bullet itself, without inspecting it themselves.  
    
         When I actually picked up this bullet and inspected it,
    I found it to be flattened on its rear end to a significant
    degree, as if from a severe blow on one side. (Photographs
    taken from the side do not show this flattening.) It is also
    slightly bent, on its long axis. 
    
         The soft lead at the base of bullet 399 appeared to be
    scooped out slightly on one side, with fine transverse
    scratch marks across the base in the direction of the
    scooping effect. Some of the soft lead of the interior of
    the bullet still projected slightly from the base of the
    bullet, at the edge toward which the scooping effect led
    (see arrow in figure 109, left lower end). This extruded bit
    of lead lay on the side of the bullet away from the
    flattened side.  
    
         That bullet 399 was fired from Oswald's rifle has been
    verified by tests done by the FBI laboratory staff, who
    found that the rifling scratches on bullet 399 conformed
    exactly to the rifling scratches on the test bullets fired
    from the same gun. No one appears to have contested this
    point.
    
    Were the Four Fragments in Connally Excessive?
    
    
         Critics also contended that the four fragments of
    bullet seen in the preoperative X-rays of Connally s wrist
    and thigh were too many to be produced from the amount of
    lead estimated to be missing from bullet 399, that is, 2.2
    grains. Again, they said this without checking for its
    validity. Once more it appeared to me and my sons that we
    could contribute answers to this question.
    
         It would be necessary, it seemed to us at once,
    carefully to weigh 100 of the sample bullets.  These would
    have to be identical to those fired by Oswald. 
    
         First, however, I closely examined the fragments of the
    bullets removed from Kennedy's head, from Connally's wrist,
    and from the automobile. Neutron activation analysis
    revealed that the wrist fragments all came from bullet 399.
    All the other bullet fragments, from the Presidents brain
    and from the floor of the car, came from the head bullet No
    other bullets were represented in the car. The unfired
    cartridge found in Oswald's rifle was next examined at the
    National Archives.  After considerable difficulty, I
    obtained a substantial supply of exactly the same cartridges
    as Oswald had used. Around 1954, four lots of these
    cartridges had been manufactured. I was finally able to
    procure samples from lots 6000, 6001, 6002, and 6003, and
    the FBI obtained samples from lots 6000 and 6003, all of
    which proved consistent and reliable. One hundred of these
    bullets were pulled from cartridges, and my son Jon weighed
    them on a precision balance in the laboratories of the
    Englewood School for Boys. The weights ranged from 159.80
    grains for the lightest bullet to 161.50 grains for the
    heaviest, with an average weight of 160.844 grains and a
    median weight of 160.80 grains.  
    
         This compared fairly closely with the weight range of
    three sample bullets weighed by the FBI laboratory and
    reported by firearms expert Robert Frazier. He found them to
    weigh 160.85 grains, 161.1 grains, and 161.5 grains, with an
    average weight of 161.15 grains, whereas our larger sample
    yielded a mean weight of 160.84 grains. 
    
         Since bullet 399 weighed 158.6 grains when found, we
    have assumed that it lost between 1.2 grains and 2.9 grains,
    with a mean probability of 2.2 grains.
    
    
    Compressing a Bullet Like 399 Squeezes Soft Gray Lead from
    the Rear End
    
         Next, we compressed a bullet like Warren Commission
    Exhibit 399 sideways in a special vice until its
    configuration was as close as possible to that of bullet
    399. This required great force because of the high
    structural density of these bullets, but it did cause the
    softer lead from the center of the bullet to be extruded
    from the open rear of the encompassing jacket (which was
    made of a tougher, copper-colored gilding metal) much as
    toothpaste is extruded from a tube.  
    
         The extruded leaden metal was then sliced off flush
    with the base of the bullet and the cylindrical fragment
    weighed. It was found to weigh exactly 2.1 grains, almost
    precisely the same as the weight of lead estimated to be
    missing from the base of bullet 399.
    
         The extruded cylinder of lead weighing 2.1 grains was
    first placed on one of our test wrists in the same location
    as the large fragment seen on the X-rays of Connally's
    wrist. Three additional particles the same size as the other
    particles in Connally were then removed from the extruded
    cylinder and arranged in the same configuration as those
    seen on his X- rays of the wrist and thigh, and pictures
    were taken for comparison. The density of the materials was
    the same as from a bullet like 399. 
    
         It was seen that the largest fragment from our test
    bullet was slightly larger than the largest fragment in
    Connally.
    
         Next, Dr. Myron Tannenbaum, our pathologist, sliced the
    remainder of this extruded cylinder of metal into thin
    fragments, each approximately the same size as those seen in
    Connally's X-rays, to see how many such fragments could be
    obtained from it.
    
    
    Fragments from Our 2.1-grain Sample of Test Bullet Lead
    Compared with Fragments from Bullet 399
    
    
         A grand total of forty-one such fragments (slices) were
    made from the extruded metal, as compared with the total of
    only four fragments seen in Connally's arm (three fragments)
    and leg (one fragment) X-rays. It should be noted that while
    one of the fragments in Connally's wrist was about twice the
    diameter of our test slices, the other three were much
    smaller than our slices. 
    
         For those who might argue that bullet 399 in its
    unfired state might have weighed only as much as our
    lightest sample bullet, namely 159.8 grains, we still have
    the fact that twenty-two such slices could have been
    produced from the 1.2 grains of metal that would have been
    involved. 
    
         At the other extreme, if it were assumed that bullet
    399 happened to weigh as much as our heaviest sample bullet,
    161.5 grains, then fifty-three slices might have been
    produced from the missing portion. 
    
         It must be pointed out that only one of the four
    Connally fragments was slightly thicker than those from our
    sample of forty-one, and that certainly the number of
    metallic fragments was not a valid criterion for judging how
    much weight was missing from bullet 399. Using the actual
    amount of metal (2.1 grains) extruded from our test bullet,
    we were able to produce forty-one fragments from it.
    
         Next, the fragments extruded from the experimental
    bullet were examined as to appearance, color, and texture,
    and were found to be a similar lead-gray color (containing
    none of the copper color of the bullet jackets) and to be of
    the same texture as the fragment removed from Connally's
    wrist. In both cases the fragments appeared to be extruded
    soft lead like that from the centers of both the test bullet
    and bullet 399. 
    
         The experiment of compressing bullets to the same
    extent as bullet 399 was repeated ten times to rule out
    possible gross differences in the malleability of the
    materials in different bullets. The results were closely
    similar in every sample tested.
    
     
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    I watched Killing Kennedy last night, and to be honest, I was a little disappointed. It wasn't anything new.
     
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    I watched Parkland last night, and it sure does raise a hell of a lot of questions.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2345112/
     
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    It does? What questions does it raise? I thought it was well done but it didn't leave me asking questions.
     
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    Only "conspiracy theorists," as uncreative people call intelligent people, are capable of raising questions about anything.
     
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    Too bad the questions aren't intelligent.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Many books by experts totaling tens of thousands of pages say you're wrong.

    I know your answer. "Did you watch this one TV show on my side?"
     
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    All that proves is there's money to be made by making up lies.
     
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    How many books by "experts" about how the moon landing never happened?

    :lol:
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Answering dozens of scholarly books with some show, what was it called, "TV for Nonreaders" or something, isn't moving public opinion.

    My advice is to dumb it down further. Create a Saturday morning cartoon show called "CaseClosedMan, Ace Conspiracy-Killing Sophist."
     
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    Now you're getting it. :devilwink:
     

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