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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    That's the main reason why I don't want to help them. Let them suffer! But alas, some team will want asik and most likely deal a key piece to get him. I would still say no, for the most part.

    But, asik for cj, Leonard and claver ain't that bad. We aren't ruining our chemistry because we are trading pieces away that we aren't using right now. I do love me some CJ though, so that's still hard.



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  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    The upgrade of Asik over Lopez isn't enough to warrant trading CJ.
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    It's not entirely apparent that it actually is a significant upgrade over Lopez.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I want them both.


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  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Well, that's like, my point..... dude.
     
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  6. illmatic99

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    Don't the defensive stats make Asik a clear cut upgrade over Lopez? And given our primary weakness of defense in the paint, I think adding Asik would make a huge difference.
     
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    For me it really isn't the "upgrade" that we are talking about. It is the depth. If an injury to Robin occurs..... I don't want our season to be over.
     
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    I was concurring. Jerkface!
     
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  9. Natebishop3

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    Trading for Asik would significantly shake things up. We're 9-2 right now. Is it worth it to mess with team chemistry because we're worried that someone might get hurt?
     
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    Although not sure if you're in favor or against the trade, it brings up a point about the potential trade. The problem is, to trade for Asik, the team would have to trade some of it's depth (due to salary differences).

    IF they didn't trade Lopez, theyd have to trade basically CJ, Freeland, Leonar and Claver.

    Now yes, 3 of those guys don't play much (or haven't due to injury), but Freeland is the only other big on the team that is an actual big. And yes, Asik/Lopez would be better than Lopez/Freeland, that trade wouldn't happen because A: Houston would probably want more and B: Portland isn't trading CJ, at least for Asik. Not saying that CJ is a bonafide star, but Asik isn't such an improvement over their current situation to justify it.

    So if the team takes out CJ, they'd have to include Crabbe and Burton. Sure, neither one plays, but what happens if there is an injury to Wes or Nic?

    It's a case of trading 4 or 5 players for 1 + maybe a pick.

    Trading for Asik is a New York Knicks kind of trade. It doesn't move the needle.
     
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    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    Reading all the Asik threads over at clutchcity - Asik is more of a man-on-man defender, average (at best) weak-side shotblocker.

    Lopez is cut from the same mold.
     
    Fez Hammersticks, Nov 20, 2013
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    Probably not. At least not right now.
     
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    I am not sure if I am in favor or against it either......

    But to answer the 4-1 question, if we kept CJ and lost Wes to an injury, we would still have CJ, Mo, Batum and Wright to fill in.

    Replacing Nic, we would have Wes and Wright. (With CJ and Mo getting SG minutes)

    Of course losing Nic or Wes would hurt us badly, but we would have bodies to fill in as good as Barton and Crabbe. Plus if we made a 4-1 we would have space to add players who may be as good as Barton and Crabbe. At least for this year.

    But this is all just hypothetical for discussions purposes. I agree it is not worth disrupting the team chemistry right now.
     
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  14. Eastoff

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  15. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Just curious, who is on your list that you would disrupt chemistry if the right center was available?
     
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  16. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    But he's a much better pick and roll defender than Lopez. IIRC
     
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    I never said anything about trading or not trading Lopez. I’m open to an upgrade, it just depends how much it costs. If the Blazers have a realistic chance at contending this year or next than CJ as the primary piece for Asik makes sense. The three way trade with Milwaukee for Ilyasova is a good idea as Houston would prefer a veteran; there are teams who would want our young assets. But if the Blazers are looking at contending in CJ’s 3rd or 4th season than it would be better to keep CJ and pass on Asik. CJ will be on a cheap rookie contract. In the summer of 2015 the Blazers will have Matthews, Lopez, Aldridge, Wright as free agents. If Asik comes here in a trade and is the center we hope he would command $10 million as well in that summer. There won’t be cap space to keep everyone. But the Blazers could keep CJ along with one of those players as CJ is only on the cap for $2 million. So in essence the Blazers would be trading away CJ and Matthews (or similar free agent) for Asik in that 3rd year.

    The Blazers can’t really make a trade until the middle of December so they have that long to decide if they need to add Asik’s interior defense; is the short term improvement of a solid center worth the long term sacrifice of a cheap young player with potential?
     
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    You wouldn't sell it if were a winner. This is actually a pretty good analogy.
     
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    Why do people like Asik so much? I don't think he is anything other than an above average center and Lopez seems to be doing pretty good right now. Would this really be a significant enough move to risk our chemistry for? Also Lopez really likes it here, which defiantly counts for something.
     
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  20. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Right! Although most people don't win, when they play scratch-offs. =\
     
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