These guys are in the NBA. they are said to be some of the best players in the world. sure the ball might not have had to be changed but change is good, and since these guys are in the NBA, they should be good no matter what kind of ball they are using. they need to stop whining and just play ball dammit.
I wouldn't consider this whining. they simply stated that they didn't like the ball. and anyways, why would they like using something that made their job harder?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>because jerseys dont affect the way the game is played. That was the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. The balls are going to bring down scoring, which will bring down excitement to the fans, which will lose the NBA money.</div> It's a ball, are you telling me these guys haven't played with different balls their whole life? Now all of a sudden a change is made and it's going to drastically effect the game? Besides the point, we have yet to go through a season with this ball, and your already calling scoring being down?
I like the design of the new ball but it looks tiny to me. I havent played with the ball yet so I can't make a opinion about it of my own but if the players don't like it switch back I guess. I don't know what the NBA is doing these days, last year it was the dress code and now its the ball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Oct 4 2006, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's a ball, are you telling me these guys haven't played with different balls their whole life? Now all of a sudden a change is made and it's going to drastically effect the game? Besides the point, we have yet to go through a season with this ball, and your already calling scoring being down?</div>they say that the ball is affecting them...why wont the scoring go down? And sure, we have played with different balls our entire lives; but not now for them. I remember hearing the players say from the All-Star game that it is harder to play with.Something as small as scoring going down a little bit can cause a big difference in money. The point differential might not be ridiculously drastic, but it will be lower. And also, if the players dont like it, why should they do it? It doesn't make sense what so ever. Also, you say "change" is good. Its not like the look of it is going to catch the eyes of people watching basketball that dont know the game very well.
I ahve a question: what GOOD will come out of this? once you can convince me the answer to that I'll think the change was needed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>they say that the ball is affecting them...why wont the scoring go down?</div> Because I've yet to see a full game played with the ball to dicate that the scoring will go down. Until I see it, you can't gauge the effect the ball has yet. Just because the balls has a different feel, doesn't mean scoring will go down. All I see is a adjustment period and when players get used to it. I don't see no reason why scores can't stay the same. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The point differential might not be ridiculously drastic, but it will be lower.</div> And if that's enough to drive people away to not watch it, then they don't deserve to be fans of the game. I mean I understand where your coming from in some fans don't care for low scoring basketball but NBA is already hard for viewers and I don't think low scoring is going to drive away fans in herds. Also, low scoring games can be just as exciting as triple digit game. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, you say "change" is good.</div> Did I say that? I accept changes, because that's life. There's bad changes and good, but I feel change is needed. My point of view from this is who cares about a new ball change. Adapt to it and quit bitching. Did they need to change it? Probably not, but they did, NBA is not going to drop the new ball right now because of these comments. So live with the change.
Andre Iguodala: "I've been using it all summer," the Sixers' Andre Iguodala said. "It just wears down after about 2 to 3 weeks. The ball used in the summer got old. Now, I'm back to the newer new ball and I haven't had a good experience with it so far.Chris Webber: "We're going to have to do it like baseball, change, like, every five plays," Chris Webber said. Once it gets wet, it's terrible; it's tough, put it that way." It's too spongy.Willie Green: "I'm not a big fan of the new ball," Willie Green said. "But it's what we've got to use. We might as well mentally prepare ourselves that this is the ball we're going to use for the season and deal with it. It's a little spongy. I'm used to the regular NBA ball. As scorer and shooter, I just like the other ball better. It went through the net better." It's more like a toy.
This is another unnessicary change by David Stern. There is no reason at all for it. If it was an improvement, that would be one thing, but even the leagues superstars and future Hall of Famers complain about how bad it sucks, that means that there should not be a change.
These guys are f*cking professionals. If I wanted to hear a bunch of bitching about a ball, I'd go to an elementary school playground. This is the NBA, these guys aren't getting paid Millions a year to whine about how sticky a ball is. Man up and play with it.
Yeah seriously, quite whining and play the game. Their whining doesn't change a think, what happened has happened. Get used to the ball in couple of years from now it'll be the same again.
Raja Bell said something like "it sucks", "its terrible" or "its sh*t" I don't really remember but he doesen't like it.Marcus Banks doesen't care too much but said he like the old ball better.Boris Diaw and Piatkowski like the ball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Oct 5 2006, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because I've yet to see a full game played with the ball to dicate that the scoring will go down. Until I see it, you can't gauge the effect the ball has yet. Just because the balls has a different feel, doesn't mean scoring will go down. All I see is a adjustment period and when players get used to it. I don't see no reason why scores can't stay the same. And if that's enough to drive people away to not watch it, then they don't deserve to be fans of the game. I mean I understand where your coming from in some fans don't care for low scoring basketball but NBA is already hard for viewers and I don't think low scoring is going to drive away fans in herds. Also, low scoring games can be just as exciting as triple digit game. Did I say that? I accept changes, because that's life. There's bad changes and good, but I feel change is needed. My point of view from this is who cares about a new ball change. Adapt to it and quit bitching. Did they need to change it? Probably not, but they did, NBA is not going to drop the new ball right now because of these comments. So live with the change.</div>All im saying is that the majority of the players are saying that they like the old ball better. The quote by Chris Webber saying that they are going to need to change the ball every 5 possesions like baseball is not something good to hear. If players dont feel good about the new ball, they are basically saying that they cant shoot or play as well with it. It just makes sense that they wouldnt shoot as well and that the games wouldnt be as high scoring.Sure, for a die hard fan or for a pretty big fan of the NBA, a 3 point differential wont affect their take on basketball because they love it. But if any excitement is taken away from the game, what is the point in an average fan or a first time watcher still watching it when it isnt AS exciting.And if they didnt need to change it, I dont understand why the would. Change can be good sometimes, but if it isnt good(which is what this change is probably going to come to), they better fix it back for the sake of the game of basketball. Yes, people should deal with change.....but this change is unnecessary. I would love for you to answer Dogma's question.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would love for you to answer Dogma's question.</div> What's the point? You act like I'm all for the new ball. But bottom line, they ain't going to change it a week into training camp. That would just look as bad as these complaints about the ball. I've merely accepted it, there's nothing else you can really do about it. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But if any excitement is taken away from the game, what is the point in an average fan or a first time watcher still watching it when it isnt AS exciting.</div> You even said there wouldn't be a drastic change with the new ball in terms of the potential scoring drop. So that bit of change is enough to keep lurkers and average fans away from watching? It's obvious those types don't care right now when it was high scoring with the ratings. Basketball has it's appeal to a group of fans that are going to watch no matter what happens. That's how I see it. The average kind of fan will more likely still tune in to the see the star players, rather then scores.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?I...ht&lid=tab3pos2<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The chorus of complaints has nonetheless been getting louder by the day since Miami's Shaquille O'Neal ranted against the switch Monday, likening the composite model to "one of those cheap balls that you buy at the toy store."</div>What a dumbass. It costs like 100$ on nba.com<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>New Jersey's Vince Carter, Detroit's Rasheed Wallace, Denver's Carmelo Anthony, Washington's Gilbert Arenas, Phoenix's Shawn Marion and the Suns' reigning two-time MVP Steve Nash are among the big names who have since voiced their displeasure with the change.</div>Crap if Marion and Nash don't like it...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The league dispatched a new ball to every NBA player over the summer and Jackson estimated in June that "99 percent" of the league's players grew up using only a composite ball.</div>Damn, gave one to EVERYONE. Gimme one!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What a dumbass. It costs like 100$ on nba.com</div> What a rip off. Whose going to pay a 100 bucks for a basketball.
Just like I said when this issue first arose, if a professional player (getting paid millions per year) can't adjust to playing with a new ball, then they probably don't deserve to be in the NBA. The players complaining are, quite simply, just being stubborn. If they spent more time adjusting instead of complaining, this wouldn't be an issue.High school players can adjust to different balls in a few minutes...professional athletes can't adjust in a month? Thank God the old Boston garden still isn't around...the bitching would be unbelievable...
The ball supposedly very grippy when you first start playing with it. but if it gets wet it gets VERY slippery.. and pretty much ungrippable.. So they're pretty much gonna switch the ball like... maybe 6 times a game lol...
