Blazers after Asik again?

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Blazer Freak, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. craigehlo

    craigehlo Elite Wing

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    6,200
    Likes Received:
    2,328
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Comparison of Freeland to Brian Grant? Um...
     
  2. Blazinaway

    Blazinaway Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2010
    Messages:
    10,973
    Likes Received:
    4,253
    Trophy Points:
    113

    and if we did trade for Asik two guys we would most likely lose are McCollum and Leonard, they have basically not played this year, how would that hurt our bench?
     
  3. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    92,739
    Likes Received:
    55,374
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    It wouldn't. With that said, I love what Lopez is doing. I'm still not convinced that Asik is really an upgrade.
     
  4. Blazinaway

    Blazinaway Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2010
    Messages:
    10,973
    Likes Received:
    4,253
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I know you know it would not, was basically agreeing with U. I love what Lopez is doing as well, Hawes might actually be a better fit giving us offense WITH Lopez and he'd likely be cheaper as he expires this year.
     
  5. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2008
    Messages:
    22,666
    Likes Received:
    15,100
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have stated in this thread I would love to have Asik for depth purposes. He and Robin around 24 minutes a game. But Joel keeps doing the little things I don't think Asik can do. I realize they are two entirely types of players, but which one is more beneficial? Those two clutch baskets last night by Joel were huge. No way Asik makes them. Joel also can cover big players away from the basket, Asik can't. He spreads the floor more for LMA, Asik can't.

    So maybe it is not such a good idea. Joel is a good player to have for 15 minutes a game. Asik may not be happy with that role.
     
  6. tlongII

    tlongII Legendary Poster

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    17,098
    Likes Received:
    11,716
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Systems Analyst
    Location:
    Beaverton, Oregon
    Freeland was one of the best big men in Europe. It was a matter of time before he figured out the NBA.
     
  7. rasheedfan2005

    rasheedfan2005 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2013
    Messages:
    8,543
    Likes Received:
    4,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    FATALITY
     
  8. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    40,824
    Likes Received:
    25,044
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Ballin'
    I'm kind of intrigued by Hawes, too - something I NEVER thought would happen (with his soft game and Republicanism). He's really stepped up this year and I think he'd add an interesting wrinkle. Imagine having FIVE guys who can shoot threes on the floor at once!

    I wonder if Philly wants to move him (because he's hurting their tanking) or they see him as part of their base. [Checks.] Ah - his contract runs out at the end of the year, so I assume they'll let him leave.
     
  9. Blazer Fanatic

    Blazer Fanatic Suspended

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    4,282
    Likes Received:
    75
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Dave doesn't understand intangibles or chemistry or character and their affect on a team. At least his writing is fairly clear on this point, that they play an insignificant role, if any role at all, in a team's success. Perhaps he would argue otherwise, but that's not what his writing suggests.

    He can't see the forest through the trees, he can't smell his own $@^# on his knees.

    In other words, he can't see how good the Blazers are when he's standing smack dab in the middle of them, and he can't see how poor his analysis is when he spends all his time "praying" to advanced stats and the history. He would call himself a pragmatist, someone who looks at data and what he sees and describes it in his own loquacious manner. Yet, his writing time and again shows a lack of understanding for the influencing elements that exist everywhere but on a stat sheet.

    LA hit on it, “This is the most cohesive, selfless team I've been on. Guys playing for each other, guys laying it on the line. Everybody having everybody's back. Every quarter a different guy showing up and making big shots and making big plays. This team has been great all season.”

    Heart, pride, putting team needs above personal accolades or successes. I think the soldier/war analogies in sports are often over-used if not misused, and often by people who have no personal frame of reference. But, some of the elements of the Band of Brothers character that leads to combat units performing amazing feats under fire have no doubt been on display throughout this season courtesy of the Blazers. You could even hear it on media day. It just had a different tone. The demeanor was different. And unfortunately for some, and perhaps many, media and fans, they had no frame of reference to recognize it. There's no stat, advanced or otherwise, to describe it. And that's how a team like Portland was so easily written of as a fringe to non-play-off team at best.

    It's not that they were wrong, it's simply that they didn't realize what they were looking at. ;)
     
    PapaG, TheBlueDoggy and Strenuus like this.
  10. DaLincolnJones

    DaLincolnJones Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2011
    Messages:
    8,319
    Likes Received:
    1,885
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Post of the week

    somebody rep this for me please
     
  11. OneLifeToLive

    OneLifeToLive Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2012
    Messages:
    5,620
    Likes Received:
    517
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'd be open to moving Leonard although it's a risk. But you are right I'd be opposed to breaking up the existing nucleus and chemistry to bring in Asik. That includes McCollum.
     
  12. MAS RipCity

    MAS RipCity Mercy, Mercy

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    3,528
    Likes Received:
    271
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Portland
    We are not trading Robin Lopez. As someone mentioned earlier, LA loves him and he's been a Godsend to this team.
     
  13. OneLifeToLive

    OneLifeToLive Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2012
    Messages:
    5,620
    Likes Received:
    517
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not a chance in hell.
     
  14. rasheedfan2005

    rasheedfan2005 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2013
    Messages:
    8,543
    Likes Received:
    4,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    All in favor of asik for Lopez go ahead and re watch the 4th quarter last night. Especially when Lopez blocked 3 shots in one possession before refs bailed out warriors with a foul call.
     
  15. AmirIcon

    AmirIcon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2008
    Messages:
    7,117
    Likes Received:
    6,077
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Writer, Director, Actor
    I'd be open to a CJ and Leonard trade for Asik. Ideally we could keep CJ but I'd be open to it. He hasn't played thus far so he hasn't really been a part of the formula, plus with Mo, it's not likely he'll find much time on the floor.
     
  16. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2008
    Messages:
    9,315
    Likes Received:
    3,004
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The way we are playing Houston might not entertain any trade with us. We could be a possible playoff opponent.
     
  17. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    28,935
    Likes Received:
    9,593
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Phone Psychic
    Location:
    The Deep State, US and A.
    I wouldn't - you don't know what you have in CJ yet.

    He was the most efficient scorer in college basketball before his injury. The only college player you could compare him to (advanced stats) is Lillard.

    Lopez looks like he's taking his game to the next level.
     
  18. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2008
    Messages:
    9,315
    Likes Received:
    3,004
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not sure if we'll be able to keep Mo after this season. CJ could be a replacement on a super cheap rookie contract.
     
  19. rasheedfan2005

    rasheedfan2005 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2013
    Messages:
    8,543
    Likes Received:
    4,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    By the end of the season nets will be offering brook for robin.
     
  20. OneLifeToLive

    OneLifeToLive Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2012
    Messages:
    5,620
    Likes Received:
    517
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Exactly. No interest in moving CJ.
     

Share This Page