Rose's Injury Could Accelerate Strain Between Thibodeau, Management

Several players on the Chicago Bulls have allied with Tom Thibodeau "in his never-ending battle with the front office," according to reporting from Adrian Wojnarowski.

Derrick Rose and Luol Deng are said to also carry resentments with management.

The Bulls appear willing to lose Deng in free agency, choosing Jimmy Butler's impending extension.

Those close to Thibodeau wonder if his strained partnership with "his nemesis", Gar Forman, could end his tenure before his remaining two-plus seasons on his contract are up now that Rose will begin another rehab stint.

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Sadly, the Gale Sayers analogy seems apropos.

 

I've always liked Wojnarowski, but I find it odd that he's the only guy (I've read) who describes the differences between Thibodeau and Forman as something akin to a blood feud. Now he's claiming Deng and Rose have axes to grind with management. He paints a pretty dysfunctional picture.

Wonder if it's all true, and if it is, I wonder why he's the only one writing it.

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This is not the first time he has written an article like this one.

I wonder, if Thibs would be ok with any wholesale changes we make now that Rose is hurt yet again. I can't see where he would be agreeable.

 

Oh, I'm aware that Woj has been banging this drum ever since the Adams firing.

Thibodeau loves his guys so I agree he won't be keen on significant changes.

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I choose Thibs.

 

Rose will be back.

 

This is one of those depressing "Why do we like sports?" moments. I have no idea what the franchise will do if Rose is out for the season or more. I don't want Thibodeau as coach regardless, but I can understand retaining him if the franchise is a contender. If the team is rebuilding, there's no legitimate reason for why you would want Thibodeau to coach a developmental team and no legitimate reason for why he would want that job, right?

 

Thibs is a winner. If GarPax can't field a contending team for him and we're back to middle of the road mode, I agree, Thibs is not the coach of choice.

It will be sad that the franchise has to hemorrhage still very productive all-stars and a coach of the year. There was a time not very long ago that we went through years and years and years without any allstars or coaches of the year. Now we have them, and the focus turns to dumping them.

 

Seems to me Thibs is a development coach, too. He took Omer Asik and turned him into a center the Rockets coveted to be their starter, if only for one season.

Noah became a star. Rose became MVP. Taj and Jimmy were late 1st round picks he turned into solid contributors.

 

Thibodeau is still pretty new as a head coach so I don't see him presiding over a rebuilding situation as somehow beneath him.

As for putting a COY winner on a pedestal, I'll point out that the COYs from 2005-2009 were Mike D'Antoni, Avery Johnson, Sam Mitchell, Byron Scott and Mike Brown.

If I'm the FO, I'm in wait-and-see mode right now. Rose has his surgery today so there may be some new data based on what the docs see when they get in there. The trade deadline is Feb 20. That's some 13 weeks away. The situation should be much clearer by then. If a playoff run isn't in the cards, get what you can for Deng, Dunleavy and Hinrich. Boozer too if you can pull it off without having to add future assets to sweeten the deal (see Rip Hamilton situation).

On the other hand, if Rose returns early in the new year as many expect and looks to be working his way back towards MVP Rose form, maybe you're back on plan (except for playoff seed).

Whatever happens, as a Bulls fan, this return to "Limbo" sucks.

 

Given what we saw of Rose after a year-plus of rehab, do you expect him to return to MVP form, or to return to MVP form fast enough to help us in a playoff run?

Even a 70% Rose is the best player we have.

To answer my own question, it seems like he was getting better, but preseason and a month of games (11 of them) wasn't enough time to regain MVP form. Maybe a half a season or more would do it.

In the latest power poll I saw, the Bulls dropped from 7 to 17. If they want to tank, 17 is too high.

 

I personally do not think Rose will ever be in MVP forum. He hurt his right knee, which was his good one. If his speed is affected then he will go from a super star to a good SG or Pg. We need a franchise player to help him. In fact one can argue and many Bulls fans have done just that, that he needed another super star or franchise player on this team all along.

He is fragile. Before he had the ACL injury, he missed many games that season! Then the injury in the playoffs.

His body can't hold up to his style of play.

I look for us to at least move Deng at the deadline, and I hope to God that if we either retool or start over, we get some people in here that can shoot the 3 ball, consistently! That can make up, rather quickly any lul we may have in scoring in any quarter we play.

We may move more players as well. Depends upon Rose and his timetable in returning.(I don't look for him to return this season,and even if he does, he will not be the Rose we want him to be.)

I have a feeling this team will struggle to be even a .500 team. Our defense is not there. Miami, the Sixers, Denver, the Clippers had no problem scoring in bunches against us!

 

I cant see Thibs allowing the team to tank, but then if we dont play defense the way we are used to playing we could tank even though we are trying!

This season would be the one season where tanking would be ideal.

Yes Denny 17 is too high.

By the way, I am not advocating tanking.

 

Thibs is a hard driving, defensive, 100% effort type of coach. He also gets the most out of all of his players (unlike Skiles, he'll pretty much work with anyone and gets a lot out of players with something meaningful to give) and the players appear to want to play hard for him. I just can't imagine a guy like that wanting to be in a tanking situation or just being able to stomach it. Its a waste of his talents. The whole situation would either implode or he'd get a team to 41 wins on effort. Neither of those are good for the Bulls. It would be a shame for Thibs to waste his talents under GarPaxson as they meander about aimlessly. Heck, the VP of basketball might come down and cold cock you if you aren't careful.

THe front office chose Del Negro over Thibs once before. Maybe they can get Del Negro back? He'd be a good choice for a tanking team.

Of course, Paxson is against the tank. He's content rolling with try hard guys from strong college programs and getting to 41 wins every year while being scrappy dappy doo. And waiting for hitting out of nowhere grand slams that have a 1-2% probability of happening. I guess it will be just waiting for that to happen again.

 

Seems to me Gar is the GM and Paxson is the CEO.

 

Yah. I would imagine a high level decision like tank or not tank would come from Paxson. He's the vision guy. (gulp)

 

I don't even think he's the vision guy. He's the numbers guy.

 

That's even worse. He *should* know more about basketball than numbers.