I see a lot of people dropping the pistons all the way down to 4th and 5th in the conference. There automatically assuming teams like the Bulls and Cavs will move ahead of them. I still see them better then both.1 Bulls - They still have no low post threat. They will still be relying on there guards to have to do all the creating off the dribble again. That will result in them having the same scoring droughts they had last season. I still see Detroit better at the Point guard position with Billups,the 2 guard position with Rip Hamilton,the 3 position with Prince,the 4 posiiton with Rasheed. The only position the Bulls have a advantage is at center.2 Cavaliers- On paper they look good,but what about chemistry? Are they ready to be a consistent winning regular season team,thats capable of going on long winning streaks,and being a 55 or over win team? Can you automatically assume Larry Huges will fit in? We dont know. But we do know the pistons have great team chemistry,and fit well together. Can Ilguskas stay healthy? Will Drew gooden finally be consistent?Both these teams still have a lot of questions marks. The pistons,even without Ben Wallace,are a team with Great Team Chemistry. They have been together for years. Plus if you look back to last season,Flip Saunders a lot of times would keep Ben Wallace on the bench,and they still were a dominant team.This is 1 of the reasons he was so upset.
I like what you bring dude, You make alot of topics.I am not going to give the Pistons the 'underrated' tag yet but I think they have as good of a shot at winning the title than anybody. The Pistons play there best basketball when the odds are against them, They proved this plenty of times in the playoffs when facing elimination games.The year they won the title in 2004, Nobody was talking about them as title contenders. The same thing could happen again.
I personally thinkg the Pistons are one of the best teams in the NBA.. so I dont underate dem at all.. its just that they dont exactly have any superstar caliber players.. they have pretty much decent all stars dat create great chemistry and play very well together... thats y they're so good... if tayshaun was on another team im sure he wouldnt be doing as good... if rip was on another team im sure he wouldnt either.. along with the other starters... they just have great chemistry and that makes them a great team
Yeah man - you're exactly what we need more of at BBW..you joined the right forums.About this Pistons - There is no doubt that the Pistons have lost something huge that made them what they have been for years - but the Pistons can survive this easily with a couple of style adjustments. Ben Wallace provided interior defense, and he clogged the lane - this might be the Pistons only weakness now with Nazr. Ben also was the primary rebounder - the Pistons have already addressed that point by them collectively saying that they would all have to push to get more rebounds. Now all we need is adjustment of style - Flip will be the one to make this happen - now the Pistons can play a 5 team scoring roster - Nazr can score. With that, comes the other half of Flips gigantic play book...so I'm not worried about scoring...and with the new style NBA where scorers are basically untouchable, we will be ok. I think Pistons can be ranked top 3 in the East.
I think people that are familar with basketball and are intelligent aren't underating the Pistons, but as a whole, I think that is the general consensus. I think they pose a real threat in the East. But you are right about a lot of people writing them off. Another thing that goes hand in hand with this is people overating the Bulls. I'm not ready to give them the Conference much less the division yet. -They added Ben Wallace. A DEFENSIVE-MINDED PLAYER to an already great Defense. Not the smartest thing in my opinion. They gave up 97 points a game, while letting thier opponents shoot a league worst 42.6% from the field. Pretty good numbers already. They also added Tyrus Thomas who is also a defensive minded player with limited offense. They should of got an offensive minded player in either the draft or threw free agency. They still dont have a big time offensive threat that can carry the team. Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich can carry the team from time to time, but they are 2nd and 3rd options at best in my opinion. They will still have a hard time scoring without a real threat on offense. Everyone thinks that getting Wallace and Thomas changes everything and that they'll be big time threats in the East. I think they are still behind the Cavs and Pistons in the division.
Pistons are very underrated this season. Chauncey was an MVP candidate last season, I am sure he won't disappoint us this year. There was a reason for being an MVP candidate, he is an excellent teammate, can shoot and scores when it is needed. Rip Hamliton seems to be a good go to guy. To me the guy can average +18 every game with Billups feeding him the ball. Prince I am absolutey positive he will have a breakout season. Sheed maybe aging but he is stilll top 15 PF in the league. Nazr filling up Ben Wallaces role isnt that bad. THey are bascially do the same thing rebound and block except Big Ben is on a different level. They added an good 6th,7th man to their bench this offseason buy adding Flip. Dice seems to play well coming off the bench. To me this team is still a threat because of chemistry.
We'll see. I personally think they'll get the 2nd see but lose in the 2nd round to the Bulls. We'll find out how good the Pistons and Bulls are soon enough. Only a few more weeks. :boogie:
I wouldnt be surprised to see the Pistons get off to a great start. There going to be out to try and prove doubters wrong. Thats when there at there best
The pistons have definitely improved their offense and Ben wasn't as much of a defensive beast last year as in the past. It depends on how much they by into Flip's system. It seems they are already complaining about him.
That's kinda weird, last year they were the most overrated team ever, now everybody thinks they will suck. Yes, they are underrated this year.
Their offensive game will be much improved with Ben wallace gone. They still have 3 individual great defenders so I don't see a major drop off. They certaintly don't suck but I don't see them reaching the nba finals. 55-58 wins imo.
Underrated? No. Well not to me. They will still be a solid team, a more offensive team if you ask me. That lost a big post presence but that shouldnt completely stop them from becoming a playoff contender.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Oct 7 2006, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The pistons have definitely improved their offense and Ben wasn't as much of a defensive beast last year as in the past. It depends on how much they by into Flip's system. It seems they are already complaining about him.</div>I read somewhere that Rasheed isnt quite fond of Flip.. maybe he'll be gone by the break if something happens between the 2.. Flip never emphasized defense.. which is why Ben wasnt doing as good on defense last season as before
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (val_modus @ Oct 8 2006, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont really see fLip fitting into this system....</div> He's not talking about Flip Murray, rather Flip Saunders. Flip Suander should fit in his own system.
I think the delicate balance that was there might be ruined. Detroit was the first place Rasheed managed to really be successful in without personality issues, and I think we'll start to see those come back out now that Big Ben is gone...Still, overall a good team. We'll see how they bounce back from their collapse.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pjcolpitts? @ Oct 7 2006, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think people that are familar with basketball and are intelligent aren't underating the Pistons, but as a whole, I think that is the general consensus. I think they pose a real threat in the East. But you are right about a lot of people writing them off. Another thing that goes hand in hand with this is people overating the Bulls. I'm not ready to give them the Conference much less the division yet. -They added Ben Wallace. A DEFENSIVE-MINDED PLAYER to an already great Defense. Not the smartest thing in my opinion. They gave up 97 points a game, while letting thier opponents shoot a league worst 42.6% from the field. Pretty good numbers already. They also added Tyrus Thomas who is also a defensive minded player with limited offense. They should of got an offensive minded player in either the draft or threw free agency. They still dont have a big time offensive threat that can carry the team. Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich can carry the team from time to time, but they are 2nd and 3rd options at best in my opinion. They will still have a hard time scoring without a real threat on offense. Everyone thinks that getting Wallace and Thomas changes everything and that they'll be big time threats in the East. I think they are still behind the Cavs and Pistons in the division.</div>That basically sums up my opinion right there. You have the casual NBA fans saying "Ohhh, Ben Wallace is gone, now the Pistons are gonna suck." That is not true at all. Right now I am sitting in Video Production class having to listen to two idiots tell me how bad the Pistons are, and how good the Bulls will be. I am not saying that the Bulls aren't going to be a good team, or that the Pistons are the best team in the league, but don't ride of the Stones just yet. The fact is, the Pistons are going to be a top 3 or 4 seed in the East, and it is because of Flip Saunders turning this team into an offensive minded team. I might not like it, the players might not like it either, but it is the best thing to do with this team considering the talent we have. As for Rasheed not liking Flip, I think that is a rumor. People assume that just because it is Rasheed Wallace, he isn't getting along, or doesn't like his coach. I think that he likes Flip just fine, and I don't think that Joe D would ship Rasheed this year.
