<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Oct 8 2006, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1- Kobe2- Duncan3- Wade4- Lebron5- Tmac6- Dirk7- KG8- Iverson9- Pierce10- ArtestNo steve nash </div>I would have the exact same list, just put LeBron at 2, Wade at 3, Duncan at 4, and at least put in Steve Nash as much as I don't want him there (I'm such a proud Canadian, eh?)...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wolverine30 @ Oct 7 2006, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Allen Iverson is way to low. He would be like 4th or 5th on my top ten. KG or TD should not be on that list because their numbers have gone down big time. Vince Carter should be on there also, not just honorable mention.My top 10:1. Kobe - 81 points? Can anyone else do that in our time? No.2. LeBron - Mature beyond his years and will taste success very soon.3. Wade - First champion from the great 2003 draft class.4. Dirk - Tough matchup for pretty much every player in the NBA. Almost won a championship.5. Nash - MVP 2 years in a row. Even without Amare.6. Vince - Has really shown life in New Jersey now that he is no longer a Raptor.7. Gilbert - The most underrated player in the NBA8. Iverson - Will always be the answer for Philly. Now has another AI by his side.9. Brand - Lead Clippers to their 1st playoff berth in a very very long time.10. Carmelo - Was the best player on team USA in the world championships.Honorable mentions: TD, KG, T-Mac, Redd, Pierce, Artest, Yao, Bosh, Shaq, Joe Johnson, Gasol, Kidd, Dwight Howard, Amare</div>Homer Pick... :thumbdn1:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Oct 8 2006, 06:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Only in his third season and he was already averaging 30+ and damn near a triple-double, so all of a sudden he is overhyped? Yeah, people seem to love LeBron a bit too much, but when someone plays the way James does, you can't blame 'em. Also, even if LeBron was overhyped, he did deliver with a bang! Nobody in the league can really mess with LeBron right now. The man is on top of his game. Last but not least, Kobe is currently in his prime right now. Kobe will remain there for a good three or four more seasons. LeBron? He hasn't even knicked the surface of his prime yet. That tells you something, doesn't it?</div>I'm sure you've seen ESPN, that's what I'm talking about. They put him on a pedistal.Also, LBJ is one of many great basketball players. He's not an anomaly. There have only been TWO players that were so great that they trancended the game, they are Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan. Is LBJ great? Yes. Will he be great? Yes. Will he ever be better than Wilt or MJ? Nope. It's stupid to say that he has not reached his prime. A players prime is his physical peak, that's it, and has ultimately nothing to do with how good he is or can become. That he has to do himself. What a player gains with age is experience, that's it. They then use that experience to their benefit. If LBJ doesn't seek to get better, then he wont, whether or not he does reach his "prime".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Oct 8 2006, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Kobe Bryant- Best ball player in world. Amazing shooter, fantastic driving ability, clutch, great leader, great defender, very good passer....in other words the best.2. Tim Duncan- Even though he doesn't need to grab 20/10 in season anymore, he has shown he can still do it, as seen in playoffs. 3 rings, 3 finals MVP's, 2 regular season MVP's, the best low post player in league that still has the ability to average 22-25/12 in a season if his team needs it.3. Dwyane Wade- He is up there as one of the best scorers, passers and rebounders for his position, a good defender, and as clutch as anyone in the league. proved he can put team on back and carry them in Finals. A ring and Finals MVP pushed him into my top 3.*Tie*4/5- LeBron James- The best overall offensive player in league. Fantastic scorer, amazing passer, is so incredibily knowledgable about the game at such a young age. He has proven he can carry a team to and through the playoffs. His defense and clutch ability still aren't where they need to be for him to crack my top 3, but he is such an amazing talent.*Tie*4/5- Allen Iverson- Has shown he can carry dirt teams to playoffs before, and carried an average team to the Finals. He has an MVP trophy, many scoring titles, 2 ASG MVP's, and averaged over 2SPG for 9 straight years (was .6SPG off from 10 straight years). Has proven past 2 years he is still an amazing scorer and has added a very good playmaker to his advantage too.6. Tracy McGrady (healthy)- Yeah, I'll probably get blasted for this pick, but I feel he is deserving. He was best swingman in 2004-2005, and had one bad injury-riddled season in his near decade long career. When healthy arguably best pure scorer in league, has shown he can carry dirt teams to playoffs, and showed with Rockets that he is also a great passer and rebounder. He also has shown in past 2 years that he is not weak on defensive end at all, either.7. Kevin Garnett- Extremely tough to put him over Dirk, but I feel it's deserving. He is a great and versatile scorer, amazing rebounder, amazing passer for big man, and very good defensive player. Sure, he has not shown he can do anything in playoffs, but his normal 20-25PPG/12-14RPG/4-6APG/1-2BPG statline is just jaw dropping.8. Dirk Nowitzki- Sure, he is one-dimensional, but he led his team to Finals, is best scoring big man in league, and is a great clutch player. He is still a weak defender, and still can't rebound like a TD or KG, but his other attributes make up for it.9. Gilbert Arenas- Proved last seaosn he is a good leader, amazing scorer, and good passer. He has finally moved into this elite status, but question is can he sustain it? Can he improve defense and clutch ability (the LeBron free throw thing still irks me).10. Chauncey Billups- IMO best true PG in league. Very clutch, great scorer, great passer, great defender, and a winner with finals MVP and ring...very underrated IMO to the other 2 top PG's, Kidd and Nash.</div>Hold up tuff guy, did you just put AI and LBJ in the same category? Were talking a potential MVP here..AI's been on the downfall for a while now. No matter how good AI is, I wud never tie him withLBJ
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Oct 9 2006, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hold up tuff guy, did you just put AI and LBJ in the same category? Were talking a potential MVP here..AI's been on the downfall for a while now. No matter how good AI is, I wud never tie him withLBJ</div>It all depends on what you base your list most on. Yours may have potential a big factor, while others have it based on their past reputation and where they stand today. I can understand Nitro's list because he put up some valid points, and he is basing his list on reputation and schtuff.It's all where you see things...
Yeah, Allen Iverson is on a downfall, thats why he put up career high numbers last season and played as well as he ever has.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Oct 9 2006, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hold up tuff guy, did you just put AI and LBJ in the same category? Were talking a potential MVP here..AI's been on the downfall for a while now. No matter how good AI is, I wud never tie him withLBJ</div> Allen Iverson averaged 33ppg/7apg/3rpg/2spg/45% FG last season. I'll take that 'slippage' any day of the week. Sure Allen Iverson is aging a little bit but he's still as good as he's ever been.
That list is stupid. How is Gilbert Arenas 6th, and AI 10th? And Lebron is better than Wade, sorry..And if Dirk is 4th, than KG and Tim need to be higher than what they are. Also..where is TMac?My list:1. Kobe2. Lebron3. Wade4. Kevin Garnett5. Dirk6. Duncan7. TMac8. AI9. Elton Brand10. Paul Pierce
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Oct 9 2006, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That list is stupid. How is Gilbert Arenas 6th, and AI 10th? And Lebron is better than Wade, sorry..And if Dirk is 4th, than KG and Tim need to be higher than what they are. Also..where is TMac?My list:1. Kobe2. Lebron3. Wade4. Kevin Garnett5. Dirk6. Duncan7. TMac8. AI9. Elton Brand10. Paul Pierce</div>Same list as mines..
So many people are putting down a healthy T-Mac, and not listing Duncan...A healthy Duncan is the best post player in the damn league...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Oct 9 2006, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hold up tuff guy, did you just put AI and LBJ in the same category? Were talking a potential MVP here..AI's been on the downfall for a while now. No matter how good AI is, I wud never tie him withLBJ</div>He had his best staistical category of his career last year, has led a team to the Finals, has an MVP trophy, 2 ASG MVP's, many scoring titles, etc.... He even had more PPG, APG and SPG last season than Bron. I consider them tied.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Oct 9 2006, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hold up tuff guy, did you just put AI and LBJ in the same category? Were talking a potential MVP here..AI's been on the downfall for a while now. No matter how good AI is, I wud never tie him withLBJ</div>I love this. People, every year, say that Iverson is declining and slowing down. Yet, he hasn't slowed down once. Last year was his highest PPG average of his career, no? He is still all-out hustling, playing every game like it's his last. He's still one of the best players in the NBA. He's still Allen Iverson. He has a terrible supporting cast, you can't just do it alone. His 2nd option (Webber) is getting a little washed up, he refuses to play in the post at all now, and he is more worried about his touches than winning. He doesn't have a playmaker/floor general on the team anymore like he had with Eric Snow. He doesn't have any type of remotely solid defensive presence other than Iguodala, and the Sixers have no bench. You can't blame last years' lack of success on Iverson, he did all he could, and he still really hasn't slowed down much at all.
I think Kobe is clearly the number one guy with Wade and LeBron a rung lower, but everything under that is a wash. Pierce/Dirk/Garnett/etc. you can make a case for them being pretty much anywhere from the fourth spot to the fifteenth or even twentieth spot. Everybody kind of plays their own biases towards teams, players, or even position when ranking ten.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Oct 10 2006, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That list is stupid. How is Gilbert Arenas 6th, and AI 10th? And Lebron is better than Wade, sorry..And if Dirk is 4th, than KG and Tim need to be higher than what they are. Also..where is TMac?My list:1. Kobe2. Lebron3. Wade4. Kevin Garnett5. Dirk6. Duncan7. TMac8. AI9. Elton Brand10. Paul Pierce</div>Garnett? The same guy who can't lead his team anywhere? Same guy who's cared to take shots when his team needs him. Ok.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Oct 9 2006, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That list is stupid. How is Gilbert Arenas 6th, and AI 10th? And Lebron is better than Wade, sorry..And if Dirk is 4th, than KG and Tim need to be higher than what they are. Also..where is TMac?My list:1. Kobe2. Lebron3. Wade4. Kevin Garnett5. Dirk6. Duncan7. TMac8. AI9. Elton Brand10. Paul Pierce</div>Wow, almost a perfect list except I would switch Dirk to the 6 spot and Duncan to the 5 spot, and put nash (2 MVP's 'nuff said) at 10 instead of pierce. But other than that, perfect. :worthy: Also, all you people who dont have Steve Nash and Timmy on the list are just crazy, Duncan has more MVP's than anyone else (except Nash) on that list.
