http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/po...bestoftv/2013/11/20/exp-cruz-cuomo-newday.cnn Well good for him.
for a small minority of people (like Boehner who at 64 is a year from Social Security) this is true. Your link didn't work... here's one that does http://www.latimes.com/business/hil...emiums-20131125,0,5241856.story#axzz2lz7DhjgW Having checked out my options, I'm going to signing up in the next month for coverage starting in the new year. Looks like I'm going to fall with the vast majority of Americans who qualify for the exchanges who will be paying less while receiving more. Premiums down, co-pays down, coverage up. Whats more, since I live in a state (Cal) without an asshat Republican Governor who refused the Federal funding, our website has been up and running fine and we're easily going to meet projections on enrollment. I went through the process with a friend who's an agent and it seemed like all win the new reality here's an even funnier link detailing Boehner's Heritage Foundationcare/Bob Dolecare/Romneycare/Obamacare charade http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-boehner-20131122,0,6719229.story#axzz2lgMQiJ00 STOMP
http://medcitynews.com/2013/11/cali...change-obamacare-litmus-test-things-going-ok/ The day before Thanksgiving, the lead administrator of the Covered California health insurance exchange focused on a deadline that comes two days before Christmas. To be covered on Jan. 1 through the new marketplace created by President Barack Obama's reform program, people must enroll by Dec. 23, Executive Director Peter Lee said during a presentation in Oxnard. "We want to make sure all Californians know that now is the time to get coverage that begins Jan. 1," he said, noting the deadline has been pushed from an original date of Dec. 15. About 385,000 people have completed insurance applications through Covered California since Oct. 1, Lee said. And about 140,000 of those people will receive government coverage on Jan. 1 through an expanded Medi-Cal program. ... Last week, Covered California leaders rejected Obama's plan to extend policies for people who have received cancellation notices. The notices are aimed at policies that don't meet the new standards of federal reform. Exchange members and observers said the decision was based on concern that the renewals would cause confusion, create logistical barriers, push more healthy people out of the exchange and bring large premium hikes in 2015. "There are no good options," Lee said. "People are going to be losing policies that for some of them, a minimum, are pretty good policies and their rates are going up."
I checked and under Obamacare my rates go up, I have a higher deductible and I pay more out of pocket. I am so very happy my company isn't throwing me to the wolves.
This is pretty much a nonsensical statement. Let's see, before Obamacare, what would have happened had your company 'thrown you to the wolves'? Do you think you could have replicated the terms of your employer plan buying as an individual? Not bloody likely. barfo
exactly. While it would be great for me if I was in a group plan via my company, fact is they don't offer it so it's been me vs the wolves for a while now. I'm paying significantly more now then I will starting January... and I'll be getting more comprehensive coverage. STOMP
Easy, I would have bought my own policy for less money than Obamacare and with a reasonable deductible and copay. And since I'm somewhat in the business, I have helped a few people do just that.
I make way too much money, so sorry to disappoint but no subsidies. Of course for those whose income is such that they qualify for subsidies are less of a burden on society with health insurance then not as Emergency Room treatment is the most expensive way to go. This is a key concept of the rational behind this law that conservative groups/politicians initially came up with, advocated for & in one State installed, in the decades before the Democratic party got behind it and it became the worst thing ever STOMP
spoke to my agent yesterday, he's dubious of your claim to say the least...maybe Oregon is different but it's well documented that rates are lower in California via the exchange then prior. I'll be signing up next week STOMP
A couple of points. Not necessarily towards you, but you mention California. First, California's exchange plans are really limited. In order to shave the price, they limit the number of doctors to a tiny number of all doctors. You won't be able to go to any of the elite medical facilities like UCLA. The doctors willing to take the price cut probably aren't the best of them. They're obviously not popular enough, at least, to make a go of it with the really good doctors. You'll be able to keep your doctor. Period. My ass! Second, Harry Reid signed up, and his rates went up by $4500. Serves him right.
And for lack of wanting to start yet another ObamaCare sucks thread (because it really does!): Read this: http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/news/display.aspx?id=20232 Then this: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-esmail/canada-free-health-care_b_3733080.html Many Canadians and commentators in other countries lauding Canada's government-dominated approach to health care refer to Canadian health care as "free." If health care actually were free, the relatively poor performance of the health care system might not seem all that bad. But the reality is that the Canadian health care system is not free -- in fact, Canadian families pay heavily for healthcare through the tax system. That high price paints the long wait times and lack of medical technologies in Canada in a very different light. In 2013, a typical Canadian family of four can expect to pay $11,320 for public health care insurance. For the average family of two parents with one child that bill will be $10,989, and for the average family of two adults (without children) the bill comes to $11,381. As a result of lower average incomes and differences in taxation, the bills are smaller for the average unattached individual ($3,780), for the average one-parent-one-child family ($3,905), and the average one-parent two-child family ($3,387). But no matter the family type, the bill is not small, much less free. And the bill is getting bigger over time. Before inflation, the cost of public health care insurance went up by 53.3 per cent over the last decade. That's more than 1.5 times faster than the cost of shelter (34.2 per cent) and clothing (32.4 per cent), and more than twice as fast as the cost of food (23.4 per cent). It's also nearly 1.5 times faster than the growth in average income over the decade (36.3 per cent).
So, healthcare isn't free in Canada and the cost is going up? That's amazing news! I read in another thread the also amazing news that it's cold in the winter! What's next? Christmas being celebrated on December 25? Sex causing pregnancy? barfo
The government kicks in another $1700 per person. No, it's not free, but it's not particularly cheaper than what it costs here, individually. $1000/mo for family of 4. Plus what govt. Kicks in. It's not really single payer, either, since everyone pays.
