Geezus mags! We are 22-5. That is only stat that matters. Off hand, we don't beat Brooklyn or Indy without him. We've only lost 5 games so it's not like you can pin a bunch of losses on him. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Bitching about PER is stupid. A third of the season is in the books and we're on pace for 66 wins! Also- Mo is the only guy on our team who has won a playoff series. That will come in handy down the road.
The rope is short as fuck around here. Micromanagment at its finest. Mo is fine. He's not going anywhere, he's a professional. An all-star, historically decent 3 point shooter and scorer off the bench and he'll do what we need to do. Like said above, he came cheap. He came here because of a good relationship with Olshey. Olshey gets these relationships around the league and is able to land these players BECAUSE HE DOESN'T SIGN GUYS AND TRADE THEM 25 GAMES LATER BECAUSE OF SOME FUCKING OBSCURE "PER AGAINST" STAT. We don't need to dump him for some semi-obscure player (which seems to be an obsession amoung blazer fans for some reason).
It's not about his shooting. It's about how he plays horrible defense, he dribbles way too much, and he makes poor decisions. If he was just shooting a poor percentage I would understand, but he's supposed to be a veteran, All-Star point guard. He makes horrible decisions with the ball and he kills all the ball movement and momentum that the starters get going. The guy has a horrible PER. Is he Nolan Smith? No, but Nolan Smith only stayed in the NBA for four years because he was drafted in the first round. That guy never would have made it more than a year if he was a second rounder.
He is a journey man vet. Way better than last year & I appreciate that. He is a good playmaker & can get his own shot. However, there are major flaws in his game that aren't going away though. Terrible defense & inefficient offense, prone to forcing a play instead of getting into Stotts system. Mack would alleviate all of these problems & is on a deal half the size of Mo's. Why would they trade him? If their 2nd unit wasn't so solid when Teague was out, they'd have a better shot at a higher pick in the vaunted 2014 draft. Perhaps while also picking up a young asset who can't produce like him now but down the road could be solid. Why is it so good for us? The PG is the QB of an offense & has to defend QB's on the other end. In todays NBA, probably the most important position on the floor besides a rim protecting big. He would be much more adept at setting up our guys like Robinson & Wright. Less prone to force the issue(2 TO vs .8 per game), instead prefers getting a good shot like this offense is designed for. No need for the aggression dude! Just talking upgrades which I'd say Olshey is always on the look for in any form.
Ya I think it was Popovich who once said " I don't care if my team coughs the ball up or gives up points just as long as they get it back."
Hey, I've been crapping on Mo for awhile now, and you'd accuse me of being too negative, and now look who starts a thread on this topic. The dude has been frustrating to watch. He's like Travis Outlaw, where he'll really give us a nice shot in the arm every once in awhile, but most of the time, he's a chucker who just keeps making bone headed plays. I'm disappointed with him, because he'a a 30 year old vet who has been a starter in this league, and this year he's not even a a decent BACKUP for us. He's better than Ronnie Price and Smith....but I miss Eric Maynor.
Difference is you were talking about Aldridge and we know you were dead wrong. Everyone in this forum probably agrees that Mo has holes that get exploited.
...and he makes an extremely small salary - Neil Olshey to rival GMs. "Mo my good friend, I'm going to send you to a team that will start you. This will allow you to command the large salary that you deserve." - Neil Oshey to Mo Williams Olshey double speak decoded: He's trading Mo to a tanking team for a more valuable piece.
When a team gives up 120 points, pointing your finger at one guy is pretty pointless. Love and Pek bent us over and had their way. Wesley said he and Batum needed to play better defense on the wings. It was a total team effort last night to suck that much on defense. But 4th road game in 5 nights, not exactly a shocker.
Ok lets trade him for a guy that can plays defense, doesn't handle the ball and makes fine decisions but can't shoot worth shit. This is a bench guy. He is a streaky scorer cut from the same cloth as Crawford. He is what he is. We are lucky to have him for the price we paid for him. Picture out bench for a second without him playing. We'd had one game without him in it and that was against new york. Our bench scored 12 points for the game in 56 minutes. 8 of those points came from Dorell Wright, our second best bench player. Our bench is full of crap. Mo Williams and Dorell Wright are by far our best bench players and both of those guys would get time on nearly every team in the league. Does Mo need to play better? Sure, but jesus christ. Some of you shit your pants about him on the daily and act like he is a total scrub.
Who the hell is talking about trading him? 99% of the trade talk on this forum is centered around Leonard, Claver, and Barton. Right now, Mo can't play defense, he is doing a bad job handling the ball, he makes bad decisions, AND he can't shoot worth shit. Look at his advanced stats to get a better idea of how he's playing: 11.3 PER (second lowest of his career) 48.9 TS% (third lowest of his career) .08 FTr -freethrows attempted per field goal (lowest of his career) 18.9 TOV% (second highest of his career) 100 ORTG (tied for third lowest of his career) 0.3 OWS (second lowest of his career) 0.3 DWS (tied for lowest of his career) Many of his numbers are the lowest since his rookie season. He is not playing well. Period. Neither is Wright, but Wright doesn't play nearly as much as Mo, and he doesn't handle the ball nearly as much as Mo.
I have to disagree with this a little. If you look at five man units at 82 games you will see the worst five man units are when Mo and Lillard play together, although this may mostly be due to their atrocious defensive numbers.
Yeah, I thought it was funny how that unit is 6-10 with a win% of 37. Not sure how they tabulate that. Minutes played together?
Yeh, i was gonna ask if it's ok now to criticize Mo. back to topic; if he could get his shooting % up to his career average, I think we could all feel better about him, maybe that will happen. I am in favor of just cutting his minutes back, so that he plays pg when Lillard is not in the game; he and Lillard would never play on the floor at the same time. This would mean someone else would have to play backup SG minutes. I would play whoever Stotts thinks is a better defender, Barton or Crabbe. Or possible Crabbe for his 3 pt shooting when Aldridge is in the game and Barton, for his creativity, when aldridge is not in the game.
About that..... 82games.com says Mo plays much better as a shooting guard. He averages a higher PER as a shooting guard, and his opponent averages a lower PER. We also have a higher win% with him at shooting guard.
