NY Giants stay or go thread

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  1. dumpstralmannow

    dumpstralmannow Active Member

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    What cracks me up is Nicks dogged it all year, now talks like he wants to be back. Puhlease.
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. Unless he takes a WAY discounted deal, no way Nicks is back. Especially now with Randle and Jerrnigan in the mix with Cruz. No shot.
     
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    Nicks got no separation all season. My guess is because he dogged it and also isn't as fast as he once was. Summary. He's not worth bringing back.
     
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    Chuck, if you don't have the horses, doesn't matter who the jockeys are
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    If you are a fan of Gilbride and think he is a good OC, we will agree to disagree on that. All good.
     
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    I'm not saying I am, just saying that as a team, they didn't have much for a coach to work with. If they believe they can get better with somebody else, then go for it. But generally, after a bad season, coaches are usually scape goats
     
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    The OL was the main issue on O. We have WR's. At RB once Brown came back he was solid. The issue is the OL. That is why we must focus on repairing that at all costs this summer. We go nowhere without a MUCH better OL. The rest can be fixed without too much trouble, but the OL is a MAJOR issue.
     
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    Chuck, ol biggest needs are 2 guards and a center but no way that position filled at #12. Only ol for 12 pick is ot if beattie has ligament damage in addition to broken leg. Otherwise pick 12 has to be olb or shutdown corner which to me means mack or mosely if their there at lb or dennard from mich state as the shutdown corner. Reese needs to get off his ass and get 2 players from free agency this year at guard or 1 guard and 1 center. And the player he should be calling 1 minute after midnight is clevelands mack who is a great center who might be tired of playing for a different coach every year. 2nd rd pick HAS to be guard or center and 3rd rd also if free agency bears no fruit once again. Sign ballard who is a free agent and will not be a fortune who can catch and block and eli is familiar with. Running back should be late rd pick or free agents and for gods sake with the 8 million college football players in america can we sign a friggin punt and kick returner who can catch and make plays like all the other teams.
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Like I said yesterday, we should take the best player that fills a need at 12.

    I don't think we need a shutdown CB though, we disagree. Aside from the fact that they are very costly, I think with Prince, Brown back, Hill all season, and the other CB's we have, we'll be okay. Yes I think we can use another solid nickel CB, but we don't need a stud shutdown guy.

    We can use a solid RB that can play when called on. A decent TE. Some CB depth as mentioned. But to me it is OL that we need most by far. Then a solid LB. The other things we need can be obtained without going nuts,
     
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    Often heard him called KevinKillDrive. I wonder Why???
     
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    Chuck, I think we have a big need at the other cb spot opposite prince. Not sure what you mean by costly as they are slotted in the draft and cost the same as everyone else. brown and hill are safeties, webster and his sidekick will not be on the team leaving onl an undersized nickel back hosley and mcbride who played ok as a backup this season. Liek I said either olb or cb in this spot this year. Only ol that can go in this slot is ot which I hope they don't think they need.
     
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    So all those Eli interceptions and fumbles were Gilbrides fault? Well then he definitely needs to be replaced, especially since they've only won 2 Super Bowls since he's been a part of the orgainization.
     
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    If you draft a CB at 12, something I could live with if that's the best need player available, that does not equal a shutdown CB for sure. I thought you were saying sign a costly free agent "shutdown CB". That I don't like. And I know Brown and Hill are safties, but they are solid secondary players. Along with Rolle. Thomas. Webster. Prince. Those are some nice players.

    To me my first choice at 12 would be an impact LB if one was there. If not I would be okay with a CB or someone on the DL. This of course assumes there is not an OL there at 12 that is worthy of being taken that high. If there is I would take the OL for sure.
     
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    Eli was terrible this season, but I'm sorry dude Gilbride is not a good OC IMO. Way too predictable. Way too conservative. You'd forget we have a 100 mill QB with the way he calls a game.
     
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    Gillbride is garbage but the offensive line stinks and the tight ends and backs can't block.
     
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    Totally agree on the need for the focus to be on the OL, the Giants cannot succeed without being able to run the ball. Eli's strength is throwing off play action, if you can't run the ball he doesn't have a chance. I think Killdrive should have been gone years ago but must have a tight relationship with TC despite the fact that he can't design a screen pass or any type of release pattern for RBs and always has receivers running deep patterns with their back to Eli. One dback can usually cover 2 Giant receivers because they always end up bunched together, getting rid of Killdrive would be a significant improvement to start.
     
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    When you have a good offensive line, you can be conservative. A good offensive line that you can run behind, makes for a good passing game. Balance, is what makes teams good, or contenders. And you have to admit, the running game made the Giants tough to play against. Yeah its boring, but it gets the job done.
     
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    They haven't had a tough, physical offensive line that can play smash mouth in years. That's priority #1 for me.
     
  20. Ranger71

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    Don't the Giants need better LB's?
     

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