Bring Dre Back?

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  1. BigGameDamian

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    As long as the Blazers keep winning Mo will not be going anywhere and there will NOT be another guard coming in to take his place!
     
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    Oh God, get out of here. Like it was his fault the Blazers lost. He played well in the playoffs. LA, Batum, and Matthews also lost those two playoff series, that doesn't mean jack squat right now.
     
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    I think that if Terry wanted a PG who was a good playmaker but is a poor outside shooter he would play Earl more. Plus Earl is a better defender than Andre. (although Miller does get a lot of steals)

    Tonight Mo played well with the first unit. With the second unit it seemed liked Lillard helped out more running the point and allowing Mo to play the SG spot. Whatever it was it worked better. They just need to keep getting better.
     
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    Andre Miller was our best player the whole time he was here, except at the beginning when Roy could play. Without him, there would have been no playoffs. But I prefer Mo for the Stotts system.

    Papa, you were Roy's biggest critic, but after he left, you said many times that you had changed your mind late in his tenure here, which seemed doubtful since you hadn't displayed any change. Now, you abandon your claimed change of heart, and revert to being his critic again.
     
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    QFT....except I think you meant to say Dre, not Roy, in that sentence.


    Go Blazers
     
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    'Dre is shooting over 45% from the field, 50% from '3' (in limited attempts) and has a 3/1 Asst/TO ratio. I don't know that I'm all for trading for him but we would all fall over from fainting fir Mo put up anything close to those numbers.

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    No Miller, no playoffs at all that year. It just so happens we ran into the World Champs.
     
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    I don't think Miller would be on the court at the end of games, why would we change what is working so well now? He would be great in a 15-20 mpg role though with Aldridge in the whole time. It would get Aldridge a ton of easy buckets and right now the only person on the team proficient at throwing an entry pass is Batum. Dre on this team would be the real LaMonster!

    Really it's Batum who's been the one running the offense somewhat, and when he's out of the game it bogs down (the Mo & Dame lineups are not great!). I htink Dre would be best as essentially Batum's backup, for 15 mpg, during which Aldridge would be in.




    As I said above, I think Miller would more or less Batum's backup, and would pair great with CJ at times (who could guard the other team's PG while Dre took SG's). However, the Mo minutes would be a problem, as Dre and Mo in at the same time would be a disaster.

    I do think Dre would be an enormous upgrade over Mo in terms of giving us some stability and allowing Dame to play of the ball next to a real PG for 5 to 10 minutes a game.


    Bullshit. For one, Dre is hitting the three at a decent clip this year (still only taking what the D gives him). For two, Stotts sure seemed to use an aging Kidd well in Dallas when everyone acted like he "added" a 3 point shot, but in reality was just hitting the wide open ones okay when the D sagged off of him. As others have noted, Dre is great in the post, knows when to back cut, and is a terrific rebounder. Especially when paired with at least one floor spacing big and a 2 and 3 who can shoot (all of ours can except for Barton) this would be fine.




    Again, bullshit. See above. Dre can hit an open three at this point. He wouldn't get so many easy buckets if everyone sagged completely off of him (and is too good of a passer for teams to do that too), and his teams playoff problems cannot be blamed on him. See his damn near 50 point performance in the playoffs for us.



    Dre, CJ, and Wright, all getting 15 mpg and getting our starters down to 33 mpg would be a fantastic 1/2/3 rotation.

    Dame/CJ
    Wes/Wright
    Batum/Dre

    (not set positions, but rather the roles on OFFENSE) these guys would play.





     
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    I'm a huge Andre Miller fan, but looking at the comparison for last year it's not like he's light years ahead of Mo Williams at this point in his career. And the reason we have Mo now is because of Olshey and his reputation for treating players well. That rep gets tarnished if we pawn off Mo to a lotto team just months after signing him. (Not the end of the world, but is it worth it for a slightly better than lateral move? Olshey will need that reputation in future trades...)

    On top of that you have all the on-court chemistry issues. Mo plays like a pretty bad version of Damian, which this team is used to. Dre plays like, well, Dre. He's awesome, mind you, but when you have a finely tuned Porsche of an offense, do you swap out the cylinder head for an aftermarket version that has nice specs but may not work correctly, especially when you are in the middle of a long road trip (competing for a #1 seed)?

    And then you have this whole unknown of how CJ will fit into the offense. It may be that he naturally excels and marginalizes Mo into being a 18mpg PG backup exclusively, which we could live with. Especially if you make sure Batum is always out there with Mo to really run the half court offense. The problem with Mo may fix itself if we just give it a little time.
     
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    I'm not advocating Olshey do so but that is exactly what he did to Eric Gordon.

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    Miller might have an argument for being disgruntled:

    ● Denver is 3-12 in games Miller plays less than 19 min.

    ● Denver is 11-5 in games Miller plays 19 or more min.


    Speaking of bullshit... Miller is shooting 50% from 3, which is a bullshit stat, and horribly misleading as it relates to being a fit for Portland.

    Dre has attempted only 18 threes on the season. So, he's 9-18. He shot 2-9 from 3 in December (22%).
     
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    The Golden State Warriors and Sacramento Kings are interested in acquiring Andre Miller.

    Miller has been suspended for two games for his confrontation with Brian Shaw in a game in which he did not play due to a coach's decision.

    Miller has grown frustrated with Shaw and recently addressed some issues to him in a locker room meeting.

    The Nuggets are determined to work out the issues with Miller.

    The Warriors have been shopping for a backup point guard and have been engaged for weeks with the Toronto Raptors on Kyle Lowry.
     
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    Kyle Lowry ain't going anywhere. Gah! I wanted him before they got their act together. Ah well.

    I hope GS doesn't get Miller. That'd be scary.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    And the only one that has criticized that move is Eric Gordon. Sorry, it's a business and when you have a chance to get Chris Paul you do it and don't hesitate. Or look at it this way, who in their right mind would want a GM that would turn down that deal for fear of hurting Eric Gordon's feelings?

    But, Andre Miller is not CP3. So, I'll leave it up to Olshey and Stotts if they think Miller is a good fit, would make this team better and if it's worth the risk to do what's necessary to acquire him.

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    I learned to accept Miller's weaknesses, and focused on the strengths. That doesn't mean I want him back on the team, because the weaknesses are still there, and more glaring since he is older. I don't want Miller back, and if that is the 'wrong' opinion to have, I'm comfortable with it. Now that he's gone, I'll criticize him all I want. He plays for a division rival, and for a veteran, he has a history of showing up coaches when things aren't going his way.
     
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    Miller played in 2 playoffs with the Blazers.
     
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    Thanks for correcting that. I know I dictated it correctly, so I have asked for my press secretary's resignation.
     
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    Bringing 'Dre in would essentially solve any "bench scoring" issues we currently have. Imagine him setting up Robinson or Leonard for alley-oops, they way he did with LMA. He's far more crafty than Williams, and won't turn the ball over trying to dribble into a 1-on-4 fast break - and he certainly won't ever take one of those terrible 1-on-4 fast break 3-pointers.
    Sure, Williams is the better shooter - but we have more than enough shooters, especially with CJ coming back. Our team still needs better balance in their offense, and 'Dre would be a huge step forward in achieving that balance. I would keep Watson as a defensive 3rd string PG, and trade any combination of Mo/Barton/Wright/Claver for 'Dre.
     
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    Is this generation really so soft that when someone speaks up and voices their concerns they are immediately demonized?

    I'm not saying a trade needs to be made or not, I think trade threads are lame. But acting like dre is locker room cancer cause he got frustrated and rather than be a whiney puke like cousins or asik and try to use the media he just went straight to the guy he had a problem with and called him out. That's called leadership, it's not always comfortable.
     
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    I actually met him once when I came to Portland for a series of games against Dallas in the playoffs. He was staying at the same hotel I was in. I went down for breakfast and he was there with one of the coaches, studying piles of plays and scouting reports.

    He seems like a reserved person that wants to win. He just doesn't seem like the type that would be close with any teammates or coaching staff. It's not really a bad thing, but it just doesn't seem like he fits with this new team.

    This team just loves each other. You can tell they hang out and are warm. We need players like that. Players like Patty Mills, that would buy into the team philosophy. As great of a player Miller is, he just doesn't look the type.
     

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