<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 22 2006, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he would've been with the lakers 2 years by now.</div>Umm yes, what's your point. I mean from 2004 on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 22 2006, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah.so he'd have two titles, and only need one more, which he is certainly capable of.</div>Two titles, with who? What superstar would Mitch sign that could complement an aging Shaq so well he could win 3 titles in a row?
c - shaqf - whoever they got for kobe/cookf - whoever they got for kobe/radmonovichg - eddie jonesg - parkerhead coach - phil jacksonlooks good enough for mepossible people that the lakers could've gotten for kobegerald wallacechris weberdalembertpau gasolpretty much any borderline all star in the nba
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 22 2006, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>c - shaqf - whoever they got for kobe/cookf - whoever they got for kobe/radmonovichg - eddie jonesg - parkerhead coach - phil jacksonlooks good enough for mepossible people that the lakers could've gotten for kobegerald wallacechris weberdalembertpau gasolpretty much any borderline all star in the nba</div>That is proposterous for one big reason, Kobe was a Free Agent. If they had chose Shaq he wouldve walked for free. Plus, where do Radmanovich, Eddie Jones, and Smush Parker come from.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 22 2006, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>sorry my math is bad. 50 shots.we have 4 great wing defenders, not 1 like artest or bowen. there's also shawne williams (shot blocker) and james white (one of the best ball thefts in college ball last year).granger is the next pippen. artest and bird said so. :rock:then they lost 4-3. that doesn't make sense. </div>They lost 4-3 because the Suns were the better team. Did anyone have the Suns winning only by 4-3? I doubt it. It took some great coachign and all around play to get up 3-1.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 06:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>eddie jones - already on the teamsmush/radmonovich - free agents</div>Eddie Jones wasnt on the team in 2004. And at that time neither Smush nor Radmanovich were free agents so I don't know how that'd work out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Eddie Jones wasnt on the team in 2004. And at that time neither Smush nor Radmanovich were free agents so I don't know how that'd work out.</div>radmonovich and smush would be on the team now.I never said they were free agents in 2004.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Oct 28 2006, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They lost 4-3 because the Suns were the better team. Did anyone have the Suns winning only by 4-3? I doubt it. It took some great coachign and all around play to get up 3-1.</div>Obviously the Suns were the better team.Who cares if you're up 3 - 1? If you don't win, it don't matter.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Eddie Jones wasnt on the team in 2004. And at that time neither Smush nor Radmanovich were free agents so I don't know how that'd work out.</div> My bad about the eddie jones thing.
Pacersfan just seriously stop. Your making a big joke out of yourself. Why do you think no one else here has backed up your arguement? Because it's completely retarded and makjes no sense. ou keep getting proved wrong and just come up with a stupider arguement. Bruce Bowen no that good of a defender? That might honestly be the stupidest post I have ever read here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>radmonovich and smush would be on the team now.I never said they were free agents in 2004.</div>Smush came onto the team in 2005 and Radmanovich came in 2006, so obviously they wouldn't be on the team.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Obviously the Suns were the better team.Who cares if you're up 3 - 1? If you don't win, it don't matter.</div>That's true, but we're talking about coaching. There's only so much a coach can do, and Phil Jackson just about did it all in making that series that close.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Oct 28 2006, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Pacersfan just seriously stop. Your making a big joke out of yourself. Why do you think no one else here has backed up your arguement? Because it's completely retarded and makjes no sense. ou keep getting proved wrong and just come up with a stupider arguement. Bruce Bowen no that good of a defender? That might honestly be the stupidest post I have ever read here.</div>I may be dumb, but I doubt itBruce Bowen has never won a DPOY, never averaged 2 steals per or 1 block per, just a thugI don't think my arguments are dumb, since they're all true, and based on real life, not Kobe<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Smush came onto the team in 2005 and Radmanovich came in 2006, so obviously they wouldn't be on the team.That's true, but we're talking about coaching. There's only so much a coach can do, and Phil Jackson just about did it all in making that series that close.</div>I don't get what you're saying. They would now have Smush and Radmonovich because they signed them as free agents.Phil Jackson is a great coach, I'm not taking that away from himKobe is a talented player, I'm not taking that away from him, I'm just saying Kobe is not a winner, therefore the Pacers would win, because they are winners.Like you said, there's only so much a coach - who enforces teamwork and passing - can do with a talened ballhog on his roster. One of the things they can't do is win.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Oct 28 2006, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Pacersfan just seriously stop. Your making a big joke out of yourself. Why do you think no one else here has backed up your arguement? Because it's completely retarded and makjes no sense.</div>Nobody else here is a Pacers fan, and the title of the thread is Lakers vs Pacers, therefore I must represent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bruce Bowen has never won a DPOY, never averaged 2 steals per or 1 block per, just a thug</div>Defense isn't about stats, it's about stopping the man in front of you from scoring, and for years Bruce Bowen has been one of the best in the league at just that. Awards mean nothing, Scottie Pippen never won a DPOY he must have been a matador.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Oct 28 2006, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think my arguments are dumb, since they're all true, and based on real life, not Kobe</div>Well actually, your arguements aren't true, because you're trying to tell me that Smush Parker, Eddie Jones, and Vladimir Radmanovich were all on the Lakers in 2004. And that last statement doesn't even really make any sense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Defense isn't about stats, it's about stopping the man in front of you from scoring, and for years Bruce Bowen has been one of the best in the league at just that. Awards mean nothing, Scottie Pippen never won a DPOY he must have been a matador.Well actually, your arguements aren't true, because you're trying to tell me that Smush Parker, Eddie Jones, and Vladimir Radmanovich were all on the Lakers in 2004. And that last statement doesn't even really make any sense.</div>If there ain't stats, you can't prove itForget the eddie jones thing, my mistakeI said that the lakers would have radmanovich and smush now (2006) not in 2004
[quote name='Pacers fan forever' post='185376' date='Oct 28 2006, 07:17 PM']I don't get what you're saying. They would now have Smush and Radmonovich because they signed them as free agents.[/quote]No, you said that they would have Smush Parker and Vladimir Radmanovich in 2005, when neither were free agents. And who else would they have, I doubt a team with a nucleus of Parker/Shaq/Radmanovich would be able to even get to the second round, much less win three championships in a row.[quote name='Pacers fan forever' post='185376' date='Oct 28 2006, 07:17 PM']Phil Jackson is a great coach, I'm not taking that away from himKobe is a talented player, I'm not taking that away from him, I'm just saying Kobe is not a winner, therefore the Pacers would win, because they are winners.[/quote]Look at Kobe's resume, he's been to the finals 4 times, the playoffs 9 (out of 10 years), and won 3 championships. The Pacers as a franchise have never won a championship, and have only been to the finals once. They are not winners, there's no way around that. Accept it, the Pacers do not have a winning franchise.[quote name='Pacers fan forever' post='185388' date='Oct 28 2006, 07:22 PM']If there ain't stats, you can't prove it[/quote]Umm no, that's an extremely stupid thing to say. How about the fact that every player who plays against him is held under their averages and frustrated almost all of the time?[quote name='Pacers fan forever' post='185388' date='Oct 28 2006, 07:22 PM']Forget the eddie jones thing, my mistakeI said that the lakers would have radmanovich and smush now (2006) not in 2004[/quote]Forget that, you still haven't answered my question of who else they would have, and you said they'd have a threepeat, unless they traded for those players this summer, after they had won two championships in a row, it's impossible.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, you said that they would have Smush Parker and Vladimir Radmanovich in 2005, when neither were free agents. And who else would they have, I doubt a team with a nucleus of Parker/Shaq/Radmanovich would be able to even get to the second round, much less win three championships in a row.Look at Kobe's resume, he's been to the finals 4 times, the playoffs 9 (out of 10 years), and won 3 championships. The Pacers as a franchise have never won a championship, and have only been to the finals once. They are not winners, there's no way around that. Accept it, the Pacers do not have a winning franchise.</div>shaq would win with any teamyou don't understand the radmonovich/smush thingas for the pacers...16 of the last 17 years we've made the playoffswe always win 40+ no matter how many players are injured/suspendedwe won a championship in the abawe have a winning franchise then and nowwe are more likely to win a ring by 2010 then your underacheiving/overpaid/lackluster chemistry teamface it
[quote name='Pacers fan forever' post='185396' date='Oct 28 2006, 07:27 PM']shaq would win with any teamyou don't understand the radmonovich/smush thing[/quote]Shaq has played for 13 years with Penny Hardaway, Kobe Bryant, and Dwyane Wade. He's won 4 championships, what happened the other 9 years? Whose fault was it then?[quote name='Pacers fan forever' post='185396' date='Oct 28 2006, 07:27 PM']as for the pacers...16 of the last 17 years we've made the playoffs[/quote]The Lakers have missed the playoffs 3 times in 60 years. [quote name='Pacers fan forever' post='185396' date='Oct 28 2006, 07:27 PM']we always win 40+ no matter how many players are injured/suspended[/quote] Only the pathetic franchises call 40 win seasons success.[quote name='Pacers fan forever' post='185396' date='Oct 28 2006, 07:27 PM']we won a championship in the aba[/quote]The ABA is not the NBA, it's a different league, therefore any success in it does not carry over to the NBA.[quote name='Pacers fan forever' post='185396' date='Oct 28 2006, 07:27 PM']we are more likely to win a ring by 2010 then your underacheiving/overpaid/lackluster chemistry teamface it[/quote]If Jordan Farmar, Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom, or Andrew Bynum pan out, watch out. Because the Lakers have the type of team right now, that in a few years, they'll either be elite, or mediocre/bad, and they're's a higher chance that they'll be good than bad. The Pacers have the kind of team that will hover around 500 for years and years (unless they pick up a big name free agent). They have no young players with the potential of somebody like Andrew Bynum or Jordan Farmar.[quote name='Pacers fan forever' post='185396' date='Oct 28 2006, 07:27 PM']underacheiving/overpaid/lackluster chemistry team[/quote]By the way, ask anybody who knows a lick about basketball and they'll tell you that with the type of talent the Lakers have, their record and the way they played Phoenix was overachieving. Besides Kwame Brown, I don't see who's overpaid. And learn something before you attack a team, the Lakers have great chemistry now, watch the sidelines, the team is full of a group of enthusiastic, tight nit guys.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shaq has played for 13 years with Penny Hardaway, Kobe Bryant, and Dwyane Wade. He's won championships, what happened the other 9 years? Whose fault was it then?</div>rookie with penny, hakeem is better than shaq, kobe's fault in LA, the year with D-Wade when they didn't win there were simply too many injuries<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Lakers have missed the playoffs 3 times in 60 years.</div>So whatLakers happen to have unlimited money, you guys dont live in the real world
HAHAHA @ this thread. Not worth debating. Clearly the Lakers. Better forever - even the deebaters in favour of the Lakers are better than the INDY ones :shifty2:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Only the pathetic franchises call 40 win seasons success.</div>only the good franchises call 40 wins a success with 20 different starting lineups due to suspensions/injuries<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The ABA is not the NBA, it's a different league, therefore any success in it does not carry over to the NBA.</div>the ABA was tougher than the NBA ever was
