Re: Who's starting at the 2? I liked the small lineup they went with last year in the playoffs with Terry and Harris in at the same time, but I don't know if that's the plan this year or not. Will Stack end up starting, now that they know they have sure energy in Devin Harris? C: Diop PF: Dirk SF: Howard SG: Harris PG: Terry or C: Diop PF: Dirk SF: Howard SG: Stack PG: Terry What's going down with this? Who's starting at the 2?
Re: Who's starting at the 2? What is most likely going to happen is the Harris and Terry combo in the backcourt. The only thing that is slowing this down is the fact that Harris is out for a while with a hamstring injury. I think if they don't start Harris, they'll still keep Stackhouse on the bench since they like his scoring off the bench. I think Avery would go with Buckner at the two since he is essentially Adrian Griffin with a 3 point shot. We all know how well that lineup of Griffin, Dirk, Diop, Terry, and Howard did last year in the regular season. I think either lineup will do well. I'd like to see Harris start, but knowing Harris's past with injuries, he'll probably miss a few games.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? Sadly Harris has started off training camp in the worse way. It's obvious the spot up for grabs was the off guard to Terry and seemingly Dampier has impressed Avery enough to possibly put the center spot up for grabs. But if Harris can't go or Avery feels a player has come on during training camp to take the guard spot. I could definately see Anthony Johnson inserted into the starting lineup. Or as pj said Greg Buckner. Johnson keeps the 2 pg lineup intact, plays good defense, strong body and Buckner reverts back to when Griff started. But I think against the Spurs, the two pg lineup is better. With Stackhouse, I think people should expect really low minutes all year to get him ready and healthy for the playoffs. This could open up time for Moe Ager during the season. Reason being, Stack has been icing his knees everyday at camp, even when not doing workouts. His age and wear/tear can't last all 82 games playing the same minutes last year.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Oct 16 2006, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sadly Harris has started off training camp in the worse way. It's obvious the spot up for grabs was the off guard to Terry and seemingly Dampier has impressed Avery enough to possibly put the center spot up for grabs. But if Harris can't go or Avery feels a player has come on during training camp to take the guard spot. I could definately see Anthony Johnson inserted into the starting lineup. Or as pj said Greg Buckner. Johnson keeps the 2 pg lineup intact, plays good defense, strong body and Buckner reverts back to when Griff started. But I think against the Spurs, the two pg lineup is better. With Stackhouse, I think people should expect really low minutes all year to get him ready and healthy for the playoffs. This could open up time for Moe Ager during the season. Reason being, Stack has been icing his knees everyday at camp, even when not doing workouts. His age and wear/tear can't last all 82 games playing the same minutes last year.</div>You make a great point with Stackhouse here. I think your right about this. If ya'll remeber, Stack was out the first 20 games or so with an injury. I think in reality, that actaully helped him out since he didn't have a ton of wear and tear throughout the regular season. That first month out had its benifits since he was fresher than he would of been having played 82 games. Great point Rok. Also, I really didn't think about Johnson starting, but he very well could start alongside Terry. I really wouldn't see a problem with either Buckner or Johnson starting at the other backcourt position during the season if Harris isn't able to. I guess it really depends on the situation.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? I don't see why Johnson would start. It is either Buckner or Harris imo. Maybe even George if they play against Lebron or Artest.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see why Johnson would start. It is either Buckner or Harris imo.</div> Because both players are nursing injuries and Johnson has been given consideration for a starting spot. I see no reason why Avery wouldn't start him to keep Terry at the 2 guard, especially opening day if Harris can't go 100% against the Spurs.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? If both Harris and Buckner are injured by the time the regular season starts than it would make sense to start Johnson. Otherwise he is just the replacement for Darrell Armstrong imo.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>If both Harris and Buckner are injured by the time the regular season starts than it would make sense to start Johnson. Otherwise he is just the replacement for Darrell Armstrong imo.</div>Wow if your expecting Johnson to play Armstrong minutes, your going to be in for a rude awakening. The guy is not a thrid string pg. If Harris starts, Johnson is the backup pg. Not only that but Cubes has stated saying Avery will implement a lineup of Johnson, Harris, Terry, Howard, and Dirk on the floor at times. Buckner starting would most likely be for situational purposes. His minutes will decrease as the game goes on, giving leeway to the three pgs. Right now, with the guard spot up for grabs and both Buck/Harris not there competing with Johnson for the spot. I feel Johnson does have some advantage early on. Have you just ignored Avery's statement that he isn't just going to give Harris the spot? Now I know you'll probably ask for the quote regarding the small lineup, so here it is per realgm.com: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>AP: You worked with Pacer management (Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh) on two trades this summer, what do you expect from Austin Croshere and Anthony Johnson? MC: We expect toughness and playoff readiness. AC [Croshere] can create match-up problems, grab rebounds, hit the three, and defend. Most importantly, he can give Dirk some time to rest. AJ [Johnson] gives us a great mix with Jason Terry and Devin Harris. Don?t be surprised if we go with an all quick lineup of AJ, Terry, Harris, Howard and Dirk at the 5. If you don?t have a center that can score, that?s going to be a tough lineup to defend.</div>
Re: Who's starting at the 2? Well I don't see Anthony Johnson getting more minutes than Harris and that small lineup will rarely be used because it is too small. It might work against Phoenix or Denver but that's about it.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Well I don't see Anthony Johnson getting more minutes than Harris</div> Who even said that to begin with mavsfan? He will get more minutes easily then Darrell last year. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>small lineup will rarely be used because it is too small. It might work against Phoenix or Denver but that's about it.</div> The emphasis of the quote means they feel AJ can give them quality minutes. He's not on the end of his career and possesses so much more skill then the, it's ignorant to sit here and say he won't get more minutes. Some of your statements have been mind boggling.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? It's going to be hard to squeeze in any minutes for the 3rd best point guard on the team. Look at the crowded positions at the 1 and 2.PG Terry/Harris/JohnsonSG Buckner/Stackhouse/Ager. It has nothing to do with Johnson being a spare but rather the positions are too crowded for Johnson to get a decent amount of minutes. He is Mbenga on this team. Good player but crowded behind better players.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It's going to be hard to squeeze in any minutes for the 3rd best point guard on the team. Look at the crowded positions at the 1 and 2.PG Terry/Harris/JohnsonSG Buckner/Stackhouse/Ager. It has nothing to do with Johnson being a spare but rather the positions are too crowded for Johnson to get a decent amount of minutes. He is Mbenga on this team. Good player but crowded behind better players.</div> At the guys you listed at the 2 that are causing a glut. No offense but Moe Ager is not causing any glut and Johnson will get time over him. You should not even list him, he's the Benga of the guards. I already stated my claims with Stackhouse, and Buckner is hardly someone you can count on for high minutes. The 2 spot is going to be heavily played by Jason Terry with the pg being manned by Johnson and Harris. Buckner and Stackhouse are going to be situational with Stack getting the more of the backup swing minutes.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? So you would rather have an undersized Anthony Johnson out there than Buckner or Stackhouse? I would like not to see Stackhouse much but I'm sure Avery has different plans. Terry is actually a better point guard imo than Anthony Johnson. With Anthony Johnson the offense is a very half court like and slow.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So you would rather have an undersized Anthony Johnson out there than Buckner or Stackhouse?</div> Yes, Johnson is a good defender with a wide body, so I don't see any reason why the Harris/Terry can work and Johnson/Terry can't work either. Besides I already said Buck and Stack are going to be situational players this year. If were going against big guards, George/Buck should see minutes. Stackhouse is going to have a decrease in minutes this year. Also, Johnson can a situational player as well, I mean when we go against strong/big pgs, Johnson might even start at that point or get long minutes. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Terry is actually a better point guard imo than Anthony Johnson. With Anthony Johnson the offense is a very half court like and slow.</div> Um how is Terry better then Johnson at being "point guard." It's obvious Terry is not a pg and he's not a player who pushes the ball that much either anyways. Terry occasional runs but if I remember correctly, fans got on him for not pushing the ball enough. I don't get that statement. Johnson is a pg who can run or slow the game down, which is needed in grind it out games. Plus he's a different look then a Devin Harris.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? I specifically hear from Pacer fans that the offense runs much more smoothly with Tinsley out there over Johnson. Why go to a small lineup if you don't get an advantage like Harris with his speed? The lineup isn't any faster with Johnson as if Buckner is out there.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I specifically hear from Pacer fans that the offense runs much more smoothly with Tinsley out there over Johnson</div> Is that why they want Tinsley on the team? Because all I hear from Pacer fans is they want him off the team. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Why go to a small lineup if you don't get an advantage like Harris with his speed?</div> To allow Terry to play off guard and not run the offense. If you truly believe that Johnson won't ever start or get more minutes this year then the, I'll glady make a bet with you that he will do those things by the end of the season. I mean we know how you make out with roster predictions from last year. Marquis playing over Stackhouse anyone?
Re: Who's starting at the 2? As a starter no doubt I would want Daniels starting over Stackhouse. Daniels isn't an instant offense type of player but he blends in better than Stackhouse who likes to run the offense and being a ball movement stopper. I'm sure at one point in the season Anthony Johnson will start just like Armstrong had some starts in his first year here. I just think you are overrating Johnson just a slight but we'll see.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>As a starter no doubt I would want Daniels starting over Stackhouse. Daniels isn't an instant offense type of player but he blends in better than Stackhouse who likes to run the offense and being a ball movement stopper. I'm sure at one point in the season Anthony Johnson will start just like Armstrong had some starts in his first year here.</div> This what I mean by when some posters on here have bad comprehension. It's not a matter of Daniels starting over Stackhouse, it's the results. Did Daniels get much minutes over Stack like you said he would. No, that is the case mavsfan, how about you start comprehending that. You honestly thought Avery would play Daniels? Just like you think right now Johnson won't see much time on the floor? Until you realize Avery runs the team and his tendencies, it's a last cause. As for overrating Johnson, you just agreed Johnson will start some games, which is what I stated and you disagreed with. And of course minutes wise, I expect Johnson will play more then Armstrong did last year. Something I don't see as overrating a player. Because it's clearly not a obstacle and with Johnson being a Avery type of player.Edited: These fixed spelling errors are stupid, I said the, nickname for Darrell Armstrong and it changes it to "the." I think it's better we let some posters spell or speak ebonics, so we can tell whose not a good poster.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? I never predicted Avery would play Stackhouse more. You have comprehension problems because you say stuff like Avery will play Daniels more which I never said. I disagreed strongly with what Avery was doing though. Daniels SHOULD get more minutes than Stackhouse. Not that he will get more minutes. Armstrong in his first year here did get some meaningful minutes and at times even backed up Terry instead of Harris. Another think I disagreed about. To me Avery is a great motivator but he isn't a great decision maker.
Re: Who's starting at the 2? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I never predicted Avery would play Stackhouse more.</div> Wow, where the hell did I say that man. I clearly said you predicted Daniels would play more. Again comprehension problems from yourself. Never once did I say you though Stackhouse would play more because you didn't. Wasn't it clear when we all wore those Stackhouse sigs. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You have comprehension problems because you say stuff like Avery will play Daniels more which I never said.</div> Um I clearly was behind Stackhouse playing more dumbass, so why would I say Avery will Daniels more. Avery played Stackhouse more, enough said. And you did say it last year, when we had our debate on Stack and Daniels. I ended my argument with that debate by saying Avery will play Stackhouse more and you need to realize that. If you need to refresh your memory, go back to that topic and look. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Armstrong in his first year here did get some meaningful minutes and even backed up Terry instead of Harris. Another think I disagreed about.</div> What are you saying here, disagree about what? Clearly it was Armstrong of last year, with your comments on Johnson being a third string pg and seeing Armstrong minutes. Don't try and change it up now saying it was the Armstrong of 2 years ago.
