Record-High 42% of Americans Identify as Independents

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    You said it.
     
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    Yes, I said the words, but I meant that we should not have to pay at the point of sickness, it should be the burden of the entire society by way of taxes. It was a poor choice of words on my part.
     
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    Death panels in the ACA.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc...board-faces-growing-opposition-from-democrats

    Your friend got over $1M of free health care by your figures and the doctors are potentially going to eat the other $300K if your friend doesn't pay up.

    $1.3M and counting? Sounds like some committee of experts charged with holding down costs needs to get involved. NOT!
     
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    So what's the limit on society's costs for healthcare? Unlimited? Or, do we do what single-payer countries do, and not treat terminal illness after a certain amount of money is spent for the patient?
     
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    "Lobbying" is just another way of saying "buying votes/buying power/buying special treatment" " and is unConstitutional.
     
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    Currently there are no price controls imposed on the healthcare monopoly. If you want to limit costs, start voting for real socialized healthcare.

    Free markets for any of life's necessities always result in the highest possible costs to society.
     
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    Like the Mafia, or Monsanto, or the KKK.
     
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    Okay! Here is my best monotone.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/20/facts-about-independent-payment-advisory-board

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougschoen/2013/08/27/medicares-independent-payment-advisory-board/

    http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/advocacy/topics/independent-payment-advisory-board.page?

    http://www.nationalreview.com/human...lthcare-rationing-oregon-style-wesley-j-smith

    http://www.change.org/petitions/ore...o-on-guideline-12-and-protect-cancer-patients

    http://www.thelundreport.org/resource/autism_coverage_doubtful_for_older_kids_on_oregon_health_plan

    http://www.oregon.gov/oha/herc/CommitteeMeetingMaterials/HERC Materials 10-10-2013.pdf

    http://www.thelundreport.org/resource/oregon_plan_to_cut_cancer_care_is_heartless_and_unfair
     
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    Or the IBEW.
     
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    Further!

    Did you identify a death panel?

    The VA is already practicing some curious procedures. I just went through an odd set of live evaluations myself last Thursday in the Roseburg hospital.
    I think I passed but it was a new experience.
     
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    I identified two death panels. Life time caps and pre existing conditions. Both are now illegal, Thanks Obama!
     
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    Did you know reading will help the un informed, even the ignorant. It won't do squat for stupid though.
     
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    I think that could be the replacement for "Reading is Fun-damental".

    "Reading Won't Squat for Stupid"

    barfo
     
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    Why is the number of independents so high? My guess is it's primarily driven by people who identify with the Tea Party who realize the GOP doesn't really represent them. People assume independents are in the middle; my guess is there are huge numbers further to the left and the right than Democrats and Republicans who think of themselves as independents.
     
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    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...s-on-the-rise-but-still-trails-conservatives/

    (CNN) - While more Americans continue to identify as conservatives rather than liberals, new numbers by Gallup indicate that the percentage who label themselves themselves as liberals is at a new high.

    Twenty-three percent of Americans identified themselves as liberals last year, up a percentage point from 2012 and four points over the past decade, and its the highest level since Gallup started regularly measuring ideology in the current format in 1992.

    But that's still far below the 38% who identified themselves as conservatives in 2013, which was down a point from the previous year. Thirty-four percent labeled themselves as moderates, also down a point from 2012.

    "The rise in liberal identification has been accompanied by a decline in moderate identification," says a release by Gallup.

    Gallup says their 2013 results are based on more than 18,000 interviews from 13 separate polls they conducted last year.
     
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