If you're not on the L-Train, what are you waiting for?

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  1. Blazer Fanatic

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    This what my take away from the entire context of Brian's original post. I'm all "eyes" if that wasn't the intended take away.

    It never ceases to amaze me that the most vocal of critics cannot provide an alternative approach that makes any sense.
     
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    Facts taken out of context are useless Nate. It's science. Even if they are correct when doing so, the explanation for why is shit logic. Brian doesn't care what people think. lol What in his OP in this thread led you to believe that he cares what other people think? No one is vilifying or piling on Brian, they are piling on, chewing up, and spitting out his is bad argument. Subtle difference, I know. ;)

    Brian, through his post, has shown that he doesn't understand or appreciate LA's value or game in relation to a 30-9 record. It's not me saying Brian is incapable of doing so, or doesn't watch the games. He made the argument, and drew the conclusion (LA probably isn't even the MVP of the Blazers) from that bad argument.
     
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    Your contribution to this thread has been invaluable. Keep up the good work.

     
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    Which is fine, if you can refute the points then more power to you, but I wish people would stop defining what a true fan is. There's no reason to make it personal. If you disagree with him, just refute his points and move on. That's the fun of debating an issue. You asked why people aren't on the L Train and Brian posted his reasons. Wasn't that the point of your thread?

    Let him make his case, if you think he's wrong then you can counter, and let people decide for themselves. I just wish people wouldn't call other posters haters or tell them they're not real fans.
     
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    I didn't use the term "hater" or question anyone Blazer fan-dom in my OP. I DID point out that Brian's opinion is excruciatingly bias (and according to others, it has been so for years), and that he sought out a stats to support that opinion.
     
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    Brian is going to ban 6 or 7 of you.
     
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    There isn't a single post you can quote to say that.
    You can't possibly think that you can make up history for me, can you?
    Don't worry about how I feel, worry about your made-up statistics being refuted and your conclusion being incorrect. You're 0-2 so far, dear.
     
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    It wasn't hard. I'm not 'bias' for or against anyone, but every single stat available supports my opinion and counters yours, which was based off a made-up stat to begin with. :dunno:
     
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    I like this. I would submit that if you ask many coaches (completely my opinion), but aside from Dirk But I don't know why it's clipped, or that
    (BTW, if someone can show me how to copy this, I'll post what I found...if not, you can just look at it yourself)
    Scola- 55.6% on 99 shots. B. Lopez 55% on 40 shots. Hibbert 52.5% on 40 shots. Varejao 52.4 on 82 shots. West 51.9% on 129 shots. Big Baby 50.4 on 129 shots. Dirk 50.2% on 205 shots. Sullinger 51.2% on 43 shots. Hell, Freeland's at 50% on his 32 shots. Jason Smith (NOP) 47.8% on 159 shots. Mike Dunleavy 47.5% on 57. Kawhi Leonard 47.2% on 53 shots. And I'm just counting bigs. Lillard, Afflalo, Redick, etc all are higher with >40 shots.
    I notice you didn't have his 41% on 99 shots from 19-23, but you made a good point. LMA takes way more shots in the league than anyone from the place that is the worst in the league to shoot from. 300 possessions where we get .94 points per possession? Anyone want to tell me how that stacks up? And another 140 from his "bread and butter" spot 10-14 feet where he gets .82 points per possession? Our average PPP is 110. When LMA shoots his "good" jumper, he gets fewer PPP than the worst team in the league on average, MIL at .95. When he shoots from his next "respectable" position, he gets .84 PPP, or roughly what DeAndre Jordan shoots from the foul line. His team takes him out of the game so that they're not subjected to that shot. You're saying LMA's "respectable" with it, and others surmise that I should "be on the L_Train" because of it. Sorry. :dunno:

    Your conclusion that "LMA knows where his strength lies" seems to disregard the 65% he's shooting in close, or the 58% in the paint. That seems higher than the other stats you posted. Is that not a strength?

    But repped. I love reasoned arguments.
     
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    http://sportstwo.com/threads/247358-Aldridge-plans-to-shoot-more-3s/page2

    That's just the first I found. There are at least two threads more.
     
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    I'd submit that those guys who are shooting a higher percentage from that range on a much lower volume of shots are not the focus of their team's offense and that most of those shot attempts occur when they happen to get an open look. That's a lot different than LMA who usually is closely guarded and is the driving force of Stott's offense.

    I didn't include LMA's longer shots because I don't think that he should be shooting as many of them as he does. That said, I think a lot of them result from broken down sets where he's putting the shot up at the end of the clock.

    I think you're talking apples and oranges when you mix PPP from a given location vs. overall average PPP for a game. I think that this is my main objection to your basic argument, or at least what I understand your main argument to be. There certainly are more efficient places to score points than the 15-19' range, but I think that you have to have LMA setting that as a mainstay in the Blazers' offense in order to open up the opportunities for the more efficient shots. Threes are only more efficient if they're not closely guarded. Layups are only available if the defense has to give attention to other areas.

    The 65% from in closer than 5' is certainly more efficient, but you certainly can't be saying that that can be a mainstay of LMA's offense. Those pesky defenders tend to try to dissuade you from getting looks from there. I'm more than happy to have LMA shoot nothing but dunks and layups if we can figure out a way to make the defense go along with that strategy. Jedi mind tricks maybe?

    Same to you on reasoned arguments.
     
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    ORLY? I did, several times in fact. lol

    At this point, I'm inclined to not discuss this much further with you. You dispute what you wrote even in this very thread. How can you possibly be expected not to incredulously dispute what others type as well? You can't. :(

    From Dec 1st thru the date in January when I made the post, it is correct. Dec stats + Jan stats = the stats cited in my OP

    It's math. smh

    Your beef isn't with me on that issue. I wasn't here. But I'm inclined to believe others who have said you've been down on LA for years based on your argument in this thread.

    [Skip to the insults]

    The misogyny of a bad argument. I guess it's cool to know there are two people who think this of me. Not sure how my husband would feel about it. Awkward.

    Let it out. We're all here for you... maybe. As you wrote to me, look in the mirror. You have 3 fingers pointing back at you, and perhaps a thumb pointing up at God. Who knows? I just hear rage when I read your post. Can't handle the heat, get outta my kitchen. ;)
     
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    Context missing from Brian's argument. +1


    Context missing from Brian's argument. +1


    I applaud your patience.
     
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    Aw, quitting so soon? And with the "I'm inclined not to discuss..." well, thank you for your politeness. It's much better than the standard put-offs. Carry on and enjoy your weekend.

    Well, there you go making factually-incorrect opinions based off of bupkis. Again. :dunno:

    You're the one who has still yet to post a single non-made-up stat or argument to back up your opinion. This isn't Homer's Edge.

    And I'm pretty good in the kitchen.
     
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    So what you're saying is that LMA shooting "closely guarded" jumpers at 42-47% is better than one of those supposedly-spaced players shooting 43-45% from 3? Why's he taking them? No one's saying "don't take open 15-foot J's off the pick-and-pop." I (in particular) am saying that the offense would be much more efficient (acknowledging that we're #1 right now) if LMA wasn't taking as many "closely guarded" J's at 42-47%.


    Agree, but why? If he shoots them at the same "respectable" rate as he does from 10-14 feet, what's the difference? Spacing? The fact that he could take a step back and get another point? [/quote] That said, I think a lot of them result from broken down sets where he's putting the shot up at the end of the clock.[/quote]82games.com doesn't agree. If there are more than 14 seconds on the clock, his eFG is 59%. If there are less than 14 seconds, it's 42.8% (and 37% on his end-of-clock shots).
    Isn't PPP overall the sum of your PPP's at different areas?
    So, assuming LMA is "closely guarded", then why is he taking the shot and not passing to a (presumably less-guarded?) teammate? Again, no one's telling him not to start at the 15-foot mark or the low block and draw defenders. No one's telling him not to shoot a wide-open shot, whether 12 feet or 21. But IF he's "closely-guarded" on a bunch of his J's (which I concede he is) and the point of him shooting is to draw defenders to open up teammates, why isn't he passing to those open teammates instead of taking contested shots at a rate that the Milwaukee Bucks would say hurts their offense?

    He's doing pretty well tonight, right? And why is it that 4x World Champ Tim Duncan can make being in the paint a mainstay of his offense, but LMA can't? 28 more teams in the league shoot more shots in the paint than the Blazers---how do they do it?
     
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    I'm waiting for him to play like this (@DAL) every game! I'm on the train...tonight.
     
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    Nobody likes having their idiotic ideas thrown back in their face.
     
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