If you're not on the L-Train, what are you waiting for?

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  1. BrianFromWA

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    Nah, it was the other guy who said that height correlates to salary, and that, combined with the fact that only 2 players in history have been shorter than 5'6", he might want to have a backup plan.
     
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    This. You don't have to believe me, I'm just rehashing stuff I read from a PhD who's a coach, scout and director of analytics for a team.
     
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    Why was young Liev Schrieber at the game?
     
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    This is the thread that never ends... it just goes on and on my friend...
     
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    Some people started posting stats, not knowing what they were, and they'll continue posting them forever just because....
     
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    Well done. Right in rhythm. :lol:
     
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    Then Thabeet must be the best paid player on the planet now that Shawn Bradley has retired? I hope nobody takes my Mugsy Bogues comment seriously because it's not documented or substantiated by scholars at all. I basically pull these things out of a shot glass and throw them at the wall, but that's a sport all it's own. Whenever someone on a msg board says "seriously" I tend to go the opposite direction. Spud Webb maybe would have worked better?
     
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    I don't really know where you're going with this, but ok...
     
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    Ive been on the L train since the day he was drafted, hasn't everyone?
     
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    LOL!
     
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    ...said everyone reading your posts in this thread, except you...
     
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    If you use a more accurate measure of efficiency than eFG% then LA is slightly more efficient than last year:

    We basically want points per possession used. The typical formula is

    Points / (FGA + 0.44FTA)

    But we need to include turnovers in that because a TO uses a possession. So...

    Points / (FGA + 0.44FTA + TO)

    By this measure LA is very slightly worse this year
    Last Year .969
    This Year .969

    But even that measure lies a bit because
    - A turnover uses a possession (other team gets the ball 100% of the time)
    - A made shot uses a possession (other team gets the ball 100% of the time)
    - But a missed shot does NOT always use a possession (we ORB 25% of the time)

    So a better-yet measure is of scoring efficiency is

    Points / (FGMade + 0.75FGMissed + 0.44FTA + TO)

    By this measure LA is slighty better than last year

    This year 1.084
    Last year 1.082

    But stats details aside... LA's usage is up significantly which means he gets more attention on defense and that creates openings for teammates. Example: Late in the Spurs game LA was quickly double teamed resulting in an open 3 for Wes. Statwise that played just risked a turnover for LA. But realitywise it helped win that game.
     
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    I'm of your opinion on this, but LMA's usage rate isn't impacted by the ball rotation to Lillard, then Nic, then Wesley, on that possession. That entire basket was based on a double-team to LMA, but it isn't reflected in the stats, as well as LMA's PER, advanced or otherwise. It's why questioning BrianfromWA has become a new pastime here at S2.
     
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    I have no doubt that he "creates space" or "draws defenders" or "creates openings". It's great to see him pass out of the double, which he's doing (at least to my eyes) better and more consistently this year. I don't even mind open J's. It's the contested 1v1 jumpers that I don't like. If you're going to take a contested shot, take it to the rim where you can get fouled, or shoot better than 42% on it. Especially when you can pass to a guy who's shooting 45% (Dame) or 43% (Wes) from 3.

    He's getting the attention, but he's taking contested, low-percentage shots over the attention rather than kicking it out to someone whose defender has been drawn or who space has been created for, or driving to the hoop where he's elite.
     
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    Questioning is great. Listening to the answer helps, though.
     
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    And unless I'm totally misreading bobf's post, it's another in the line of stuff that proves that there's nothing significantly different about LMA (at least on the offensive end) from last year's 33-49 LMA to this year's 31-9 LMA. I mean, I get that you hate listening to be drone on, but when eblazer's posts show it, and bobf's posts show it... :dunno:
     
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    On the offensive end, this turnovers are way down and his assists are up. That he's shooting the same and just doing more of the style of shooting isn't really... I mean... Who the fuck cares? Does it mean he's soft? Does it mean he sucks? Does it mean he's not what you want him to be? And if so, who the fuck cares what we want? You or me posting about LaMarcus won't change him. Why the fuck do we torture ourselves? Enjoy the fucking game, fuck off, and go blazers.
     
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    At this point, I'm as lost as you are on your own use of stats anti-LMA/pro-Lillard. Difference is that nobody here is anti-Lillard at all, and understand that he's as much a key to this team as LMA, but w/out the ability to get Wes and Nic wide open 3-point shots.

    I just don't understand your posts today in terms of consistency, and I'm not sure you do, either.
     
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    Pretty much my point. Why dwell on an obvious statistic that even a n00b can understand? At some point, 31-9 does start to matter, as does leading the NBA in OFF EFF and PPG.
     
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