Kenny Smith went from Blazers not winning enough to make the playoffs

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by magnifier661, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    To not having enough experience in the playoffs. In fact, he admits that they may make it deep in the playoffs, even hinting wcf or finals.

    Crazy how opinions change throughout the season!
     
  2. Blazer Fanatic

    Blazer Fanatic Suspended

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    4,282
    Likes Received:
    75
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I need to make a list of the progressive excuses over the course of this season from the "experts" who were dead wrong about Portland and then proceeded to keep coming up with reasons why they refuse to accept that Portland is one of the best teams in the NBA. Maybe a time-line up to when the denial phase finally ended too. ;)
     
  3. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    It would be soooo awesome if this team just rolled through the playoffs and win the title! It would be soooo sweet!
     
  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    93,976
    Likes Received:
    57,109
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    I don't know how they can use inexperience as a crutch. Half the team are seasoned vets at this point. Aldridge isn't young anymore. Mo is 31. I think these guys forget that Nic and LA were both in the playoffs against Houston, Phoenix, and Dallas. They know what a series is like. There's a few young guys, but there's a lot of experience as well.
     
  5. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    45,066
    Likes Received:
    33,798
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Sales Manager
    Location:
    Cincinnati
    I think the biggest thing that is keeping the team from winning the west, contrary to what Grant Hill said, isn't experience, but defense.
     
  6. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    93,976
    Likes Received:
    57,109
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Defense is definitely our biggest problem, which makes no sense to me because Wes and Nic are supposed to be really good defenders.
     
  7. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    45,066
    Likes Received:
    33,798
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Sales Manager
    Location:
    Cincinnati
    I think the thing is, they're good defenders when they actually play defense. They just go through stretches were they don't play defense, to mask the fact that the rest of the team sometimes does that too. All for one, and one for all!
     
  8. Strenuus

    Strenuus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2013
    Messages:
    50,466
    Likes Received:
    35,758
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't know if this was sarcasm, because you've been doing that repeatedly already.
     
  9. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2008
    Messages:
    23,192
    Likes Received:
    15,646
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This team has not gone into a playoff battle together yet. Against OKC and SA it will be a factor. Even GS and the Clippers experienced it last year. It will be a factor no doubt. But we do have some mentally tough players. We just need to get out of the first round and let the momentum build.
     
  10. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2008
    Messages:
    9,315
    Likes Received:
    3,004
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Lopez was in the playoffs once for 17mpg the year Phoenix beat us. Mo is the only other player to win a playoff series. I think its a valid concern when talking about a deep playoff run this season but yes I agree there is a national misperception of this team being younger than they are because analysts aren't familiar with the players.

    Nic is really overrated as a defender, he just physically looks like he would be an elite defender but thats not the reality. Durant and Parsons lit him up last week which is common when he guards small forwards. Matthews is probably our best defender but he's not an elite lockdown guy; he's just all around really solid.
     
  11. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    93,976
    Likes Received:
    57,109
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    If we had a defensive minded coach, I think that might change.
     
  12. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2008
    Messages:
    23,192
    Likes Received:
    15,646
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have always thought that Nic is better at defending smaller quicker guards. He uses his length against them.

    While Wes is better at defending SF's because they are not going to go around him as easily as a quick guard can. He can be more physical with them.

    As a tandem I think they work well together because they can switch. They both have strengths and weaknesses though. No doubt small quick guards give Wes problems but he gives them trouble as well when he posts them up.
     
  13. cmeese47

    cmeese47 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2013
    Messages:
    1,889
    Likes Received:
    86
    Trophy Points:
    48
    This has been Batum's forte, it is part of the reason Stotts puts him on the other teams main ball handler, it is hard to lose focus when your man has the ball right in front of your face. Plus it tends to give Lillard a break and allow him to focus on offense.
     
  14. adrenalize74

    adrenalize74 I cant hear you over the sound of how awesome I am

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2009
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    64
    Trophy Points:
    28
    It is perplexing that we are not better defensively. Wes, Nic and Lopez are all supposed to be good defenders.....so is it coaching? Bench? We play very good D at times, just not for a full game.
     
  15. oldmangrouch

    oldmangrouch persona non grata

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2008
    Messages:
    12,403
    Likes Received:
    6,325
    Trophy Points:
    113
    IMHO, the bench is a big part of it. The starters are playing a lot of minutes and expending plenty of energy on the offensive end.

    Coaching also enters into it. In his 3 stints as head coach, Stotts has clearly established that defense is not his priority/strong suit.
     
  16. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2008
    Messages:
    23,192
    Likes Received:
    15,646
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It makes sense that this statement is true if it was not for the fact that they play their best D at the end of the games. When they should be tired. I agree that they seem to be pacing themselves for the 2nd half though.

    But I disagree that the bench is that bad. Individually they are decent. Last night they were playing well to start the 4th (with Wes in there as well) They got the lead back and then were pulled with over 8 minutes to go in the game. Not blaming Stotts here, just pointing out that it was not the benches fault. Not last night anyways.
     
  17. JFizzleRaider

    JFizzleRaider Yeast Lords Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2007
    Messages:
    14,158
    Likes Received:
    7,360
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Who Knows?
    Ya but he said after one year experience we are in the conversation of title contenders. I don't see what's wrong with what he said
     
  18. blue9

    blue9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2012
    Messages:
    10,729
    Likes Received:
    7,169
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, yes, yes - a thousand times, YES! Good defense STARTS with good coaching. You can have good defense without elite defenders as long as there's a sound defensive philosophy that the players operate within. Take a look at the Top 10 teams in OppFG% - those teams aren't chock full of elite defenders. It's the coaching that makes their defenses work, and the coaching is only enhanced by the individual defenders.
     
  19. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    13,191
    Likes Received:
    6,530
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Gear Finisher
    Location:
    Lebanon, Oregon
    Didn't Wesley make it past the first round with Utah, and then play here against Dallas the next year?
     
  20. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    26,622
    Likes Received:
    20,298
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Poster Boy
    Location:
    Blazerlandia
    Have to stop the ball at the point of attack. Don't even let the PG have spacing to make a good pass. Lillard is not a good defender and Mo flat out sucks. They play too many minutes together. Our bench isn't very good on either side of the ball. Good defense in the NBA is a team game, but it starts at the PG position, anchored by a defensive big.
     

Share This Page