Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 players..

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  1. BBert

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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    Brian isn't the only one saying LaMarcus is more effective when he takes more shots in the paint and at the rim. Half this board has complained for years that LaMarcus should use his considerable talent and skills to play closer to the basket. That's why he has so many 'softy' nicknames. The difference is, Brian uses actual statistical data to back up his assertion. And when LaMarcus does get closer to a 50/50 split in inside/outside play, it seems like more often than not he turns into LaMonster. Like last night. And when LaMarcus does that, Brian is the first to give LaMarcus kudos for it.

    I don't know why some people are giving Brian such a hard time about it. Brian, I think you could let some of it slide off your back a little more though. You've made your point, I think. No sense rehashing it. People might start accusing you of having a vendetta, or worse, being a hatr. ;)
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    Whether or not LMA can realistically win the MVP, being in the discussion will get him All Star votes next year, and more importantly, extra respect from the refs.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    Are you sure? Can anybody really be sure what Shaq says?
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    Newsflash ... every player can be more effective, or improve on something.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    I was thinking about that. The fact that virtually the entire TNT crew stated repeatedly during and after the broadcast that LaMarcus should be starting in this year's ASG, and they will continue to say so in other discussions, pretty much assures that their followers will vote for him next season, regardless of his actual production next season. Especially the east coast voters, who probably rarely see him play anyway.

    LaMarcus has arrived. Now he needs some endorsements. Maybe a milk commercial? ;)
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    Shaq said it was in no specific order.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    Repped for creating a new and original way to criticize Aldridge. He should stop being so selfish, and tell the fans how he feels they should cheer at games.

    Er, something like that.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    Unfortunately, he's wrong. LA is shooting nearly the same in percentage from inside as outside on the left block. He's just a "go get it done" guy.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    I see what you're going for, but I find it really reaching to imply Aldridge is selfish or less than humble. Fans are calling it like they see it. And it is well deserved and appreciated. At the expense of "piling on", I would just add you wouldn't be an MVP candidate with that attitude if you were Aldridge.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    He would be perfect for a sequel to the old no-personality Tim Duncan Nike commercials. Play up the understated, small market angle. People love that.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    Can you define what you mean by "outside on the left block" and "inside"? I mean, I don't want to harp if we're not talking about the same thing, but shots on the "left block" (8-16 feet on the left side on this shot chart of LMA's) are 18% less than shots in the paint, and especially shots within 8 feet of the hoop.



    Shotchart_LMA2.jpg
     
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    Flip it, slice it, turn it, put a garage door on it... you can make stats say whatever you want. The issue with your constant criticism of LA is that it paints and inaccurate picture of LA's game. Several articles have already addressed LA taking the ball to the rim versus shooting a jump shot well off the block - that his jumper is as good as a lay-up. You and I will never be talking about the same thing when it comes to LA because while I'm chanting MVP at the Rose Garden, you'll be sitting at your computer complaining about him.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    So either nba.com's shot chart or you are lying about your assertion that "Unfortunately, (Brian)'s wrong. LA is shooting nearly the same in percentage from inside as outside on the left block. He's just a "go get it done" guy."

    Based on history, I'd say it's you. But I'm happy to look at whatever you have that contradicts it.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    My history of explaining ad nauseam why LA is having an MVP season? I'm not arguing with that shot chart. I'm laughing at your premise that LA isn't the MVP of the Blazers (still waiting on that post you promised to explain that one), and is a chucker. That's YOUR premise, and to prove it, you compare him to Bargnani, and fail miserably to pick apart his shooting percentage as evidence that he is a chucker and not the MVP of even the Blazers. You won't address your premise or defend it, so I think we're done here. lol

    Feel free to show me the shot chart of LA's isolation stats in half court sets, and whether a help defender was involved - LA taking it to the rim vs taking a jump shot. Your amateur shot chart isn't what team's use to study tendencies or create defensive schemes that center entirely around stopping LA. But I could be wrong. I bet Denver used that shot chart, which is why they got burned for 44 LA points.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    What often is ignored with the whole pts in the paint thing is how much time those guys spend injured on the bench. Dunkers are high risk players for injury. LaMarcus has mentioned this multiple times. His game is special, love it or leave it I say!
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    These guys just really miss JJ Hickson...why, I'll never know but JJ was a dunker first and foremost.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    Don't look at me. I never called LaMarcus "LaMarshmallow" (my favorite), complained about his game, or wanted him traded. He is a beast in the post though. :)
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    I don't see anyone giving Brian a hard time. I see people ripping his premise (LA isn't the MVP of the Blazers, LA is a chucker, LA is Bargnani on offense) to absolute shreds. No one forced Brian to state that premise, continue to avoid explaining his premise, or explain how his generic stats support his premise. When Brian keeps it about basketball, I do too. When Brain gets personal, I throw it right back. It's always been his choice how the discussion goes regardless of his opinion on LA. I'm not going to convince him of anything. It would be nice if he could defend the premise he asserted though.
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    LeBron James name doesn't even get mentioned?
     
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    Re: Shaq says 4 players can be considered for MVP and Aldridge is one or the 4 player

    I have Durant, then James, then LMA. I even posted it in this thread. :dunno:
     

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