Now I have to hear a year of this worthless Derek Jeter crap

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In many ways, I felt Jeter was always a phony. Yeah, he never said stupid stuff to the media. Who cares. He lives a rich lifestyle and I don't get the sense he would associate with any of us common people. I also hated how he was a dirtbag and held the Yankees up for every penny he could when his contract was up. I'm not a Yankee fan. So you are retiring. Who cares. His stupid ego wouldn't let him announce it in August. He think he's Mo. He's not. Mo was always down to earth and he gave the Yankees many a break with his contracts. I think Mo announced it at the beginning of the year because he really wanted a year to say goodbye to the game and the fans. I think Jeter just wants his ass kissed.
 
I can understand having a farewell tour for Rivera, who was the greatest at his position, but if they start doing it for every HOF caliber player it's ridiculous.
 
its b/c he's a Yankee. This season is going to be insufferable with every team bowing to him. We knew it was coming some day when he retired, so at least we get it over with,
 
They were both egomaniacs to announce a retirement before the season even started. No other reason to do it other than attention. Announce it in August so the fans can pay tribute and be done with it. Mo's "farewell tour" was an absolute joke.
 
I think teams went over board with Mo. However, I never saw Mo display an ego. He certainly could have walked around like royalty because he pitched liked it.
 
Wow. You guys are a tough crowd. With all the shitheads out there to go off on in sports these days we're going to give someone like Derek Jeter shit?? A guy that goes out of his way with kids(no, he doesn't bring a camera crew with him to advertise it), runs a charitable foundation helping others, and has never had a cringeworthy second in 20 years as a Yankee. While not the greatest baseball player ever he IS the greatest NY shortstop ever and top 3 to 5 shortstops all time. In addition, he will and up top 5 or 6 all time in hits with somewhere around 3500 and one of the most clutch hitters in postseason baseball history. He's entitled to take a few bows around the league in his last year. :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
Not a Yankee fan at all - Unfortunately I am a Mariners fan.....But I always thought Jeter was highly over rated. He is a HOF'er as he was a good offensive player at a position that largely doesnt create offense but he was average defensively at best.

He was special because he came up with a core of young players that played productively for like 20 years and won 4 rings...the likes of which this game has rarely seen (Jeter, Posada, Petite, Rivera then add Bernie Williams, etc).

People will talk of Jeter like he put up pre-juice Arod production at that just isnt true. A good offensive player for a very long time playing a position that made his offensive numbers great. But he will be talked about as a top 50 baseball player all time and that simply isnt true based on his production on the field.

Say what you want about Rivera - Some people dont think his position as closer is as impt as say a SS - But he was absolutely the best at his position that ever played the game and I dont see how you can dispute that. I remember seeing Rivera pitching in relief in 95 in the Kingdome in that classic series prior to him being dominant setting up Wetteland in 96.

Hate the Yankees but NOBODY better at his position then Mo
 
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has Jeter ever lead the league in any significant stat? and zero MVP's and a hack on the field. HUGELY overrated and unfortunately we have a full year coming up of his retirement tour.

The only thing to admire about Jeter is his collection of ex-gf's. Stellar list.
 
Most of them weren't even that hot imo, except for Kelly, she's pretty smokin. Mariah Carey got fat and ghetto after the first few years. :)
 
agree on Mariah, but you got Scarlett Johanson, Biel, Alba, Adriana Lima and Minka. Well done by Mr. Overrated.
 
Oh yeah Alba, forgot her. Scarlett and Biel I don't really care much for but not shabby by any means.
 
Disturbed said:
Not a Yankee fan at all - Unfortunately I am a Mariners fan.....But I always thought Jeter was highly over rated. He is a HOF'er as he was a good offensive player at a position that largely doesnt create offense but he was average defensively at best.

He was special because he came up with a core of young players that played productively for like 20 years and won 4 rings...the likes of which this game has rarely seen (Jeter, Posada, Petite, Rivera then add Bernie Williams, etc).

People will talk of Jeter like he put up pre-juice Arod production at that just isnt true. A good offensive player for a very long time playing a position that made his offensive numbers great. But he will be talked about as a top 50 baseball player all time and that simply isnt true based on his production on the field.

Say what you want about Rivera - Some people dont think his position as closer is as impt as say a SS - But he was absolutely the best at his position that ever played the game and I dont see how you can dispute that. I remember seeing Rivera pitching in relief in 95 in the Kingdome in that classic series prior to him being dominant setting up Wetteland in 96.

Hate the Yankees but NOBODY better at his position then Mo
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Come on Dis… 5 rings buddy not 4, average defensively with 5 gold gloves, the core group was good and he was the best everyday player of the core as mariano though fantastic pitched about 75 innings a season. You guys that have the yankee prejudice are funny belittling jeters accomplishments like he is an average joe only good because luckily he played for the yankees is kind of grasping for straws. The proof in the pudding is listening to his contemporary teammates and more importantly his opponents gush about how good a player jeter was and his impact on the yankees on the only thing important to him… .. winning. Jeter was one of the greatest post season players(when the money is on the line) in baseball history holding many records. The only question will be if Jeter will be the first unanimous selection first ballot hall of famer in 5 years or if the usual couple of morons will somehow claim there are 10 other eligible players at the time that rate ahead of him.
 
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has Jeter ever lead the league in any significant stat? and zero MVP's and a hack on the field. HUGELY overrated and unfortunately we have a full year coming up of his retirement tour.

The only thing to admire about Jeter is his collection of ex-gf's. Stellar list.
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Alright 31, here we go . Correct in no mvp's however finished 2nd hosed that year, 3rd twice, 6th, 7th and 3 10th place finishes so 8 times finished in top 10 in anti ny bias mvp voting. The hack had 5 gold gloves. Holds a bunch of all time baseball postseason records. And when he is done this year only 4 or 5 players in history will had had more hits than him along with his 5 rings currently and counting. You are right in his stellar girlfriends count. I actually googled up a who's who of jeter babes that were known and list is Carey, Lara dutton miss universe, brewster, lima, manilla,alba, johannson, biel,uchitel (BT before tiger), kelly and lastly hannah davis. First ballot hall of fame list of babes.
 
don't really care to get into it about Jeter, mrmel, b/c you're obviously a Yankee fan and therefore Jeter is on a pedestal. To make sure i didn't misinterpret your previous post, are you saying Jeter should be the first unanimous HOF selection?
 
Ranger71 said:
I can understand having a farewell tour for Rivera, who was the greatest at his position, but if they start doing it for every HOF caliber player it's ridiculous.
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20 year HOF type players are such a dime a dozen
 
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don't really care to get into it about Jeter, mrmel, b/c you're obviously a Yankee fan and therefore Jeter is on a pedestal. To make sure i didn't misinterpret your previous post, are you saying Jeter should be the first unanimous HOF selection?
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No, he should be the 2nd. Mariano should be the first the year before. :clap::clap:
 
Im a big time Yankee fan but for the most part jeter was the face of the franchise but not the best player on his team. yeah he finished 2nd one year, but guess what he is a huge product of the players and team around him. he would not be the star player he is today if say Kansas City drafted him.

My favorite Yankee growing up with Bernie Williams.

I had this long debate on the Yankee board about who would you start a team with if you turned back time and started a team in 1995, Chipper Jones or Derek Jeter...I was crushed by so much pro jeter it was ridiculous.

Id take Chipper of Jeter to start a team any day of the week.
 
mrmel29 said:
No, he should be the 2nd. Mariano should be the first the year before. :clap::clap:
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ha, maybe Mo, but if Maddux didn't do it, maybe no one can. Because of the Yankee love fest in baseball Jeter will get in on the first try with a very high % of votes, that's for sure. Speaking of the '99 MVP. Go check out Pedro Martinez's #s. THAT is a robbery.
 
NYR31 said:
ha, maybe Mo, but if Maddux didn't do it, maybe no one can. Because of the Yankee love fest in baseball Jeter will get in on the first try with a very high % of votes, that's for sure. Speaking of the '99 MVP. Go check out Pedro Martinez's #s. THAT is a robbery.
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And another robbery Donnie baseball in 1986
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Im a big time Yankee fan but for the most part jeter was the face of the franchise but not the best player on his team. yeah he finished 2nd one year, but guess what he is a huge product of the players and team around him. he would not be the star player he is today if say Kansas City drafted him.

My favorite Yankee growing up with Bernie Williams.

I had this long debate on the Yankee board about who would you start a team with if you turned back time and started a team in 1995, Chipper Jones or Derek Jeter...I was crushed by so much pro jeter it was ridiculous.

Id take Chipper of Jeter to start a team any day of the week.
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Come on Al, Larry over Derek?? Highest mvp 4th and only 1 in top 5. 5 in top 10, no gg's and almost 800 hits less than derek. In addition, shortstop is always the more important position to build around then lf or 3b.
 
when you play 100 more games as the leadoff hitter or #2 hitter you tend to have more hits.
.303 to .312 batting all time batting average...
293 less home runs
257 more runs scored again batting 2nd helps
362 less runs batted in batting 2nd hurts

Chipper stuck out 1409 times in his career and had more walks over his career 1512
Jeter struck out 1753 times....product of more atbats but...he had only 1047 walks...so more k's than bb's


umm Chipper was the 1999 MVP by the way.
 
never liked Larry but didn't realize his career was this good. Career .930 OPS and 141 OPS+, yikes.
 
The guy has a chance at retiring with 3500 career hits and a chance at capturing his sixth world series ring. To call him overrated is absurd especially a guy with a .312 career batting average and a season long combination of post season stats to match. What all the garbage that goes on in sports Derek Jeter is the wrong guy to go after. The reason he announced it now was so that he didn't have to have an entire season about his contract expiring. I see nothing wrong with it at all.
 
Chipper Jones is a better player than Derek Jeter. However, when you talk about starting a team, you take the SS, no questions asked. It's almost impossible to find a guy that can play SS that long, at that level defensively with his kind of offense. Jeter is not overrated. However, don't be fooled by his thought out answers every day to the media. He wouldn't give you the time of day if you saw him anywhere outside the field. Rivera would.
 
Jeter is terrible defensively. At one point he may have been good, but it's been a long time. If his name wasn't Derek Jeter he would have been moved off SS years ago (even if you disregard he should have been moved when A-Roid was brought in as he was a superior SS) so longevity at the position means little. His range, especially to his left, is LOL bad but he makes his little jump throw to 1st and people eat that up, when an adequate SS makes it a much easier play.

If Jeter had played his career in any other team outside of NY and maybe BOS we wouldn't be having this pathetic pony show.
 
NYR31 said:
Jeter is terrible defensively. At one point he may have been good, but it's been a long time. If his name wasn't Derek Jeter he would have been moved off SS years ago (even if you disregard he should have been moved when A-Roid was brought in as he was a superior SS) so longevity at the position means little. His range, especially to his left, is LOL bad but he makes his little jump throw to 1st and people eat that up, when an adequate SS makes it a much easier play.

If Jeter had played his career in any other team outside of NY and maybe BOS we wouldn't be having this pathetic pony show.
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100% agree

Jeter is definitely a HOF player which is not easy to achieve obviously. You can be a HOF player and still be over rated. The guy was a good hitter for 20 years playing a demanding position that generally doesnt produce offense. He was also not a good defensive player for most of his career. His 5 gold gloves are a crock. That was given by reputation mainly as a leader and offensive player.

Also, this hype about him being a great post season player are grossly exagerated. He played in 158 post season games, more games than ANY player in MLB history by at least 30 games. He was a good post season player but his numbers (.308/20 HR in 158 games) are good but not spectacular. He was a good leader and that is also partly why he gets my HOF vote. He gets credit for 5 rings for sure but he also had the luxory of playing on VERY good teams and that is also a big reason why he played in 158 playoff games.

If he was an OF he would not be a HOFer. End of story. He was also just not a very good defensive player and his offensive numbers would be good not great if he played another position.
 
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It's possible he finishes #5 all time in hits. I don't care what city he played in. The guy is an all time great.
 
All time hits is an excellent argument in his favor.

Nobody is doubting his HOF career

But a guy like Cal Ripken was better IMO
 
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