Now I have to hear a year of this worthless Derek Jeter crap

And another robbery Donnie baseball in 1986

 

Come on Al, Larry over Derek?? Highest mvp 4th and only 1 in top 5. 5 in top 10, no gg's and almost 800 hits less than derek. In addition, shortstop is always the more important position to build around then lf or 3b.

 

when you play 100 more games as the leadoff hitter or #2 hitter you tend to have more hits.
.303 to .312 batting all time batting average...
293 less home runs
257 more runs scored again batting 2nd helps
362 less runs batted in batting 2nd hurts

Chipper stuck out 1409 times in his career and had more walks over his career 1512
Jeter struck out 1753 times....product of more atbats but...he had only 1047 walks...so more k's than bb's


umm Chipper was the 1999 MVP by the way.

 

Chipper Jones is a better player than Derek Jeter. However, when you talk about starting a team, you take the SS, no questions asked. It's almost impossible to find a guy that can play SS that long, at that level defensively with his kind of offense. Jeter is not overrated. However, don't be fooled by his thought out answers every day to the media. He wouldn't give you the time of day if you saw him anywhere outside the field. Rivera would.

 

100% agree

Jeter is definitely a HOF player which is not easy to achieve obviously. You can be a HOF player and still be over rated. The guy was a good hitter for 20 years playing a demanding position that generally doesnt produce offense. He was also not a good defensive player for most of his career. His 5 gold gloves are a crock. That was given by reputation mainly as a leader and offensive player.

Also, this hype about him being a great post season player are grossly exagerated. He played in 158 post season games, more games than ANY player in MLB history by at least 30 games. He was a good post season player but his numbers (.308/20 HR in 158 games) are good but not spectacular. He was a good leader and that is also partly why he gets my HOF vote. He gets credit for 5 rings for sure but he also had the luxory of playing on VERY good teams and that is also a big reason why he played in 158 playoff games.

If he was an OF he would not be a HOFer. End of story. He was also just not a very good defensive player and his offensive numbers would be good not great if he played another position.

 

All time hits is an excellent argument in his favor.

Nobody is doubting his HOF career

But a guy like Cal Ripken was better IMO

 

I never liked Ripken. I thought he was a little overrated.

 

Had to chime in. MVP and other individual awards are based on stats. Jeter didn't care about stats, only winning. He could have had bigger numbers if that's what he cared about. Unlike Arod, who swung for the fences on every single pitch, especially with Texas because he had nothing else to play for, Jeter would give himself up, move a runner, get a single if that's what was needed. Could pull the ball or hit a HR if the situation called for it. Tremendous clutch player, especially post season. Jeter can't be measured by his numbers. In the WS against the Mets, after the Mets tied the series, first time up next game Jeter pulls it over 400 feet to left to immediately wipe out any Met momentum. On the flip play, he had no reason to think the ball was going where it did, but he knew. Every AB is different situation and he did what was needed at that time. Wasn't much he couldn't do. Only Yankee haters or people jealous of him are railing against him today. Too bad we didn't have more Rangers that could think the game like him, and come up big when it was most important. We'd have more than one cup since 1940. Look at what current and retired Red Sox players say about him. That's all you need to know.

 

None, lol. My baseball pictures are mostly ones I personally took, such as the infield in 1976 after Chambliss hit the HR to end the declinasty. Chambliss is halfway between home and 1st, right when he jumped with his feet off the ground, and Brett is at 3rd with his face in his hands. Or the scoreboard of the final score of the last game at the old stadium. Most of the pics in my house are Rangers, some NY Giants, a few Yankees, and a lot of thoroughbred horses. There are also some Met and Jet pics as my wife roots for them.

 

Dude come on....When it comes to measuring a players performance in baseball pretty much the only criteria is STATS

This is getting ridiculous. Jeter was a great player, a HOF player but he is not one top players all time in baseball.

 

Can we please quit elevating Jeter's post season performances like they were better than they really were.

He is a career .308 hitter in playoffs w 20 HR over the course of the 158 games he played. That's pretty much a full season and its pretty similar to his regular season numbers as well.

Enough already. The guy was very good player at a position that is a huge bonus to bring offense.

 

Never said he was one of the greatest of all time. Where did that come from? And we all know baseball is a stats sport, but if you only go on stats, and we also know you can pick and choose what stats, and there are a lot of things there are no stats for, you are missing a lot. A guy like Schilling, who is Yankee hater, said the guy he least wanted to see in a clutch situation is Jeter. Why would that be? Your opinion is that Ripken is better. Ripken was great, no doubt. They're so close I couldn't choose between them. I will point out that he played 3rd for a number of years, while Jeter played the more demanding SS for his entire career. Jeter was a leadoff or 2 whole hitter, a tablesetter, vs Ripken who was a power hitter in an RBI slot. Comparing stats is apple to oranges. Also much harder to hit HR's in the old Yankee Stadium to left field vs Camden Yards or Memorial Field. Where are the stats that account for those things? Point being, simple stats don't tell the whole story, and much of the time they are not even comparable.

 

I'm an Oriole fan and I'll agree that Ripken was somewhat overrated and helped in popularity by the streak. He was a mold breaking SS in terms of size, and certainly a HOFer but I'd agree. At least he didnt drop the last out of the 83' WS.

 

Yeah I get it 62 I just think Jeter is elevated to crazy levels though

He was also an average at best defensive SS. Ripkin was LIGHT YEARS better defensively.

 

Ripken had more range defensively and more power, but Jeter was a much better avg.hitter and very clutch. I can't stand the Yankees but he was always someone I enjoyed watching and never disliked him as a person.