I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to The Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.Freedom To FacismPlease watch this when you have time.
Nope. I dont care if there is hypocrisy within the government. If you or anyone else can do a better job running a country with 200million then step up and run for presidency.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Oct 23 2006, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nope. I dont care if there is hypocrisy within the government.</div>That is why you are a fool - you're only hurting yourself, and your family.
HAHAHAHA - I'm not a fool. I dont live there. So why would I care about your government? How dare you, mention anything about my family. I'd appreciate you never mentioning them again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Oct 23 2006, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>HAHAHAHA - I'm not a fool. I dont live there. So why would I care about your government? How dare you, mention anything about my family. I'd appreciate you never mentioning them again.</div>Lol, you act like I threatened them or something?? Also, I did not know you lived here - so that's fine since it doesn't really affect you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Oct 23 2006, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am very protective. I have small childern, this makes me a bit prone to over-reacting.</div>Ok, my bad man, didn't mean to offend you.
Im intrested in what it says, but unfortunely I dont have a hour and forty minutes to watch it. I owuld appreciate if somebody sums it up. Please dont mention only stuff that you favor. All of it please.
Ok: This is very long...but I did my best - and it really isn't everything the movie speaks about...I tried my best also to keep this organized.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The worth of the dollar is gone because it is not backed by gold anymore.In the older times, money was a receipt basically ? people could actually go to the bank and get their gold for the exchange of their receipt (money). This of course isn?t true anymore. This is why the value of dollars is so low. There is nothing to back it up with. A dollar is worth the exact same as a monopoly dollar ? nothing. Banks can create money out of thin air through loans.The government borrows from ?The Federal Reserve? which is a system of private banks. The Government pays back their debts and interest from the people through taxes.Taking Loans from banks is compared to slavery ? take a loan, buy a new house, a new car and look great?but you?ll be slaving your ass forever just to pay it off and the interest. Why do people make such a huge deal to younger people to build up credit, to don?t damage your credit and that entire BS ? it?s to make us loan money from banks.There are two types of taxes: Direct, and IndirectDirect is when you are buying something and there is sales tax on it, Indirect is something like cigarette tax where you can choose not to smoke or driving a car ? you can drive a bike instead?also Gas.An important and huge tax that funds so many things is income tax. Income tax is mandated by the I.R.S. - The IRS is a federal group that requires for you to pay income tax.- Being required to pay income tax is unconstitutional. There is NO law that states that you have to pay income tax. LOOK it up. There is absolutely no law that states you must pay income tax?yet they use force on you by cutting your life down through foreclosures, jail time, etc. - The government uses income tax to not support things you may think it supports like schools, highways, etc?it supports the payment of the debt and interest to the federal bank.Income Tax is also illegal because it is an even trade ? You make an agreement to do this much work for this much money ? so taxing shouldn?t even be your responsibility, it is the responsibility of the employer.In 2008 your information will be all put on ONE card. This card contains EVERYTHING ? literally everything about you. Social Security, You can pay with it, it is your license, and it is literally everything. You are required to have these cards everywhere you go ? no matter what. They are also considering adding check points in the future. Takes 3 ? 4 pages to describe! (Quoted)Physical proof, retinal prints / finger prints.Here is the worst part?there will be a RFID in the card?a Radio Signal Identification used to find out information about anything such as health records, money, etc. This was advertised on FOX NEWS, and ABC, and 60 Minutes ? A.K.A. propaganda.Nazi Germany anyone?Jewish ID?s?.After people get used to these cards, people will begin to have tiny information chips implanted in them. This has already started, and some people already have them implanted. This will also be used for everything?scary. This is also called the Veri Chip ?it?s already been implanted in people like I said. It is about the size of a grain of rice.The RFID chips will also be used to track Objects! You can put RFID?s on things you buy, money, ATM?s?anywhere.This whole movie has so many quotes in it that make you just say wow ? as in quotes from former Presidents, former government men like Thomas Jefferson, former IRS employees. Former IRS President! Everything. I can?t just put this here, sorry ? to much work.Basically, The Federal Reserve ? essentially, a Bank has basically taken over the government financially and through money comes everything. The Bank controls us! They also talk about the lack of press on important topics that really matter and really influence the American People?s welfare.AMERICA is moving to become a POLICE STATE ? a FASCIST STATE?Who controls Money, Control the World? ? Henry KissingerHe is right.The Suspension of HABEUS CORPUS ? giving him total power to impose martial law ? and suspend habeas corpus ? this gives him all power to do anything without checks and balances.- The government can jail you for LIFE without charges, without a lawyer, and without a trial.- That means they can torture you, they can put you on death row?anythingThere are 190 countries in the world ? America has military bases in 130 of them? (Saying that American politicians want a world state)?We shall have a World Government, whether or not we like it. The Only question is whether the World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent?- Paul Warburg (Council On Foreign Relations, Architect of the Federal Reserve System)The United States, Mexico and Canada are going to be one COUNTRY. This has already been signed by George bush in 2005. It has already been agreed on by the Mexican Prime Minister and the Canadian President. It is already on the White House Website!!!The beginning of a World Government?? Why hasn?t this been exposed by the media??1997David Rockefeller:"We are grateful to the Washington Post, N.Y. Times, Times magazine, and other media as well as most all of the National media who have attended these meetings (CFR, etc.) and respected our right to privacy for the past 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan if we would have been subject to the bright lights of the public during those years. But the world is more sophisticated now and prepared to march toward a World Government. The supra-national Sovereignties (who are these?) and the International Elite and world bankers are certainly preferable than the national auto-determination practiced by the people of the past (democratic election)."A LOT of George Orwell References ? read his books.Patriot Act?Research it.DRUM ROLL PLEASE:?THE CONSTITUTION IS JUST GODDAMN PIECE OF PAPER?- George W. Busho Nov 2005There was a project that was undertaken by N.A.S.A. and Exxon Mobile (partnership) to make a program that would fix an election. The leader of the research group on this project confirmed this and he said that the program was already done, and it could flip the results from 49 to 51%....hem Bush! It can not be detected.?Those who vote decide nothing??Those who count the votes decide everything?- Joseph Stalin (Russian Dictator)It should be the government that is our servant, not the opposite. We HAVE to do something. There hasn?t been a Gandhi in a very long time ? it?s time for the next coming of our savior, our liberator.We need to shut down the Federal Reserve System ? the promoter of World Government, and dictatorship. We can?t accept things like the ID card?it leads to the worst. We need our freedom back. This is not about being Republican or Democrat; it?s about being an American. The founding fathers, those who originally wrote our constitution would never stand up for what is going on ? they would die for our freedoms.</div>(I just put down points as the movie played, that's why it isn't refined - sorry)
^ I'm with you on that. I have a lot better things to do with my time. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Being required to pay income tax is unconstitutional. There is NO law that states that you have to pay income tax. LOOK it up. There is absolutely no law that states you must pay income tax?yet they use force on you by cutting your life down through foreclosures, jail time, etc</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.</div>There is you law right there, its the 16th admendment to the Constitution.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Oct 23 2006, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^ I'm with you on that. I have a lot better things to do with my time. There is you law right there, its the 16th admendment to the Constitution.</div>That "law" has not been ratified by the majority of the states, how about you look that up:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"The amendment was ratified by 38 states[8] in all: Alabama on August 10, 1909, Kentucky on February 8, 1910, South Carolina on February 19, Illinois on March 1, Mississippi on March 7, Oklahoma on March 10, Maryland on April 8, Georgia on August 3, Texas on August 16, Ohio on January 19, 1911, Idaho on January 20, Oregon on January 23, Washington on January 26, Indiana and Montana on January 30, California and Nevada on January 31, South Dakota on February 3, Nebraska on February 9, North Carolina on February 11, Colorado on February 15, North Dakota on February 17, Kansas on February 18, Michigan on February 23, Iowa on February 24, Missouri on March 16, Maine on March 31, Tennessee on April 7, Arkansas on April 22, Wisconsin on May 26, New York on July 12, Arizona on April 6, 1912, Minnesota on June 11, Louisiana on June 28, West Virginia on January 31, 1913, New Mexico on February 3 (the 36th state to ratify), Massachusetts on March 4, and New Hampshire on March 7. Arizona and New Hampshire ratified after an earlier rejection. Ratification was rejected by Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Utah."</div>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Ame...es_ConstitutionYou can't put something into a law when it hasn't been ratified by all states...if it isn't in the states that rejected it, how come those states are still required to file for income tax. The IRS itself says that paying income tax is a "fundamental obligation" an "understood, and well accpepted one" ....when asked to show a law that requires us to pay income tax.Just watch the part about income tax...I suck at explaining this. They talk abou tthat same exact thing in the movie.
I believe the constitution states that an admendment needs to be passed by 2/3 of the states, which would have been only 48 at the time, so 38/48 is more than 2/3. also once its in the constitution is Law.
Haha, Reppin, you're being absolutely silly with this. There's many things that aren't absolutely stated by the constitution, that's where implied powers come in and so on. The same thing that gives the government power to create an army give a woman the freedom to abort a baby. You should probably take a class on US government.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Oct 24 2006, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Haha, Reppin, you're being absolutely silly with this. There's many things that aren't absolutely stated by the constitution, that's where implied powers come in and so on. The same thing that gives the government power to create an army give a woman the freedom to abort a baby. You should probably take a class on US government.</div>I have, but it wasnt very good - I'm just starting to get into these things...it's kinda interesting.anywayredneck you're right about the ratification thing...I don't know what the movie was sayin...forget about the income tax for now - that point in the movie wasn that clear to me...what about the other things...anyone got comments on that?
well onto the banking system, I agree it needs change. but the current system was put in place to try and get the country out of the depression. but we're in such a way now that we won't ever be able to go back. going back to the gold standard now would cause our economy to fall to such sh*t that it we would never recover. Big business would be completly ruined, and while some librals would love seeing that, the fact remains that they still employee a majority of American workers, and they and their products allow us to live the lives we live.I've been hearing about the card system for years, but I don't think it will be a reality because it would be such a hassell to impliment. I'm not so concerned about the government following me, because the government has been tracking people for years through SSN, employment histories, traffic cams, the internet ect. seldom are we anywhere in our daily lives inwhich we aren't being tracked.The government wont be able to suspend Habeus corpus. Lincoln had a hell of a time doing it during the civil war, and I would reckon there would need to be something like the civil war for the government to be allowed to do anything like this.As Im reading your synopsys I can't help but think that this is just paranoid jibberish. the topic seems to be extraordinarily libral, to the point were it's not good for anything.The North American Union is something we should not enter into, its not going to make the three countries one, its just being down to counter the EU and AU. The world is run by the United States, and has been for the most part since the collapse of the Soviet Union. this isn't uncommon in the history of the world, anytime there has been an alone super-power you get this type of stuff. also what would NASA gain from fixing an election? the space program historically have benefited from having a Democrat in the White House. Kennedy/Johnson allowed them to go to the Moon by giving them funding, while Republicans cut money from the program ala Richard Nixon.but like I said, this seems to be the ramblings of a paranoid libral extremist.
Well this isn't meant to take sides - it isn't liberal or republican at all, the documentary actually addresses things done by Clinton, and Bush - so this movie isn't biased towards one political affiliation.Also, how can it be jibberish if this stuff is true - there are no conspiracty theories in any of this...all facts.About the National ID's - it is going to happen...has alread been signed and is going to be in full affect by 2008.Suspension of Habeus Corpus - has already happened...just signed 2 weeks ago by President Bush. Something is wrong when it's ok for the goverment to track your everymore through a number. You're right that we should not enter this, but this has already been approved, and IS going to happen. Also, it is going to make three countries one - why does the US keep their borders open, and than expect people to carry ID cards everywhere...because there will be no borders...it will be the NA which is one country, with three provinces. And this is ok?? You guys need to be more concious about your government - how can you say you don't care if they follow you around...with a switch they can end your life if they wanted to...that's ok to you?? Aren't we supposed to be a democracy...we are supposed to be "free" - how is that free??
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, how can it be jibberish if this stuff is true - there are no conspiracty theories in any of this...all facts.About the National ID's - it is going to happen...has alread been signed and is going to be in full affect by 2008.Suspension of Habeus Corpus - has already happened...just signed 2 weeks ago by President Bush.</div>I guess a better word to have used would have been rederic. Its fact, but it seems like they are taking things way out of context. the National IDs is likly going to be challenged in court, and will go through a leanthy process within the judicial system before anything really gets done. remember just because the government says something will happen by a certain date doesn't mean it will. the government is natoriously slow.My understanding of the Law president Bush signed is that it only effects captured terrorist, and non US nationals in the possesions of the US. the US possesions don't have the same constitutional rights as we do in the US.I'm not OK with the government following me, but there is nothing I can do. like I said they've been doing it for years. I think the government should be allowed to track suspected terrorist, but nothing they find out from the trackings should be used in a court of law, nor should it be groups for probible cause.
I actually like the way the money system works today. It actually makes sense to me.Its hard to explain so I will just put it in a scenario.If there is $200 dollars worth of services and merchandise on the market, the mint can only print $200 in cash. It is meant to keep businesses running and the economy strong. I dont think the value of our dollar is going down, everyone else's is going up. Which is good for the world economy. I really dont see a problem with it at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Becar @ Oct 24 2006, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I actually like the way the money system works today. It actually makes sense to me.Its hard to explain so I will just put it in a scenario.If there is $200 dollars worth of services and merchandise on the market, the mint can only print $200 in cash. It is meant to keep businesses running and the economy strong. I dont think the value of our dollar is going down, everyone else's is going up. Which is good for the world economy. I really dont see a problem with it at all.</div>That's not totally true...they don't necessarily print 200$ for something that is worth $200 dollars...for example take a loan...Say you want 1 million dollars...do they really transfer in your bank acount 1 million dollars? No.All it takes is a push of a button, and a signature, and you've got a million dollars to be loaned - they made that money out of thin air - they didn't just take it from themselves and give it to you to borrow...Also...when people say a house's value increases...that's false...It's the money's value thats decreasing so to buy the samething it costs more to buy.
