The Excuse Machine and the Disappearing Man

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  1. ponderguy

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    dibs on thomas jefferson
     
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    How long till we get to JFK or Ronald Reagan?

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    ......especially thy rod and staff.........giggity.
     
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    Do the Pacers match a Batum sized deal for Stephenson?
     
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    I think Batum just over-rated. He's not athletic enough, nor does he have the ball handling skills to be a slasher. He doesn't seem to have much of an offensive game aside from spot up shooting, and he's always been fairly mediocre at that. Now he does finish around the rim very well, but he only gets tip ins and the occasional point blank look there.

    His defense is so over-rated. Yes, he has long arms and he defends PGs better than Blake/Felton/Lillard but he's still not that great. I see him giving up a lot of penetration of his own. He's always throwing these stupid-ass passes.

    He's not bad....just an average run of the mill wing. Not worth 10+ mill.
     
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    Player...........Pts...Rebs...Asts..Stls...FG%..3Pt%..A/TO
    Batum..........12.8..6.4....5.4.....1.0. .455.. .338....2.1
    Stephenson..14.0..7.3....5.1.....0.7. .497.. .327....1.8


    One would think that Lance would be very grateful for the contract Nic got. More points, rebounds, much higher FG% and very similar on almost everything else.

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    This is why you have a coaching staff and a GM...I happen to like ours. As for blind support, this is an insult to all blind people who love sports. I have legititmate questions all the time. I believe in practice and enjoy winning as much as you. So be baffled! Twisting the jist of my post doesn't make my criticism of some's posts mediocre or less valid than anyone's trade ideas. Big difference between being happy about a 3pt loss to the Spurs and enjoying the game. To each his own
     
  9. TBpup

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    That's just silly. You know what was meant. But if that is how you need to word your response, now worries. It kind of speaks for itself.

    However, I would think it is ok to question coaching philosophy or a GM's moves just like it is ok to commend them when they do well. Otherwise, it seems a little one-sided. Yes, to each their own.

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    If this were true in your case, why would you take time to write this? Maybe you are this nobody who cares? What I say might not matter, you're right, it's a game, you're right again. There's no point of why...maybe in your world. I have a reason to support the team. You may not like my take on this thread and you're welcome to your own different reason because it DOESN'T matter what it is. Some folks actually do care.
     
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    We can do better for Batum than Stephenson. Anyway, here’s a statistical illusion. Batum is better than Stephenson at 2 pointers (.569 to .556) and 3 pointers (.338 to .327), but worse at their total (.455 to .497).

    I verified the counterintuitive arithmetic is right, so...how can this be?????

    http://bkref.com/tiny/DlYTe
     
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    Nic takes more threes. His 33% has more influence on his overall shooting than Lance's 33%
     
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    Tough now with Turner. I think they will have to choose among one of them and prolly S&T the other.
     
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    First guess is that he shoots so many more '3's in comparison to Stephenson that it drags down his total percentage. Lance shoots more '2's at a higher percentage than his '3's so his total shooting percentage is higher. I think I just got a headache.... :D

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    In this day and age, the Blazers manage "The Message" they want you the fan to hear. It in most cases is not correct but rather self-serving. It's not like in the old days when the media controlled "The Message"; back then the media was far more responsible in what they said. Fans today who take what the Blazers say as gospel are in a totally different group then those who don't listen to the blazers and actually look at the team. To keep it short, the Blazers have invaded every part of the media on every level just so they can get out the message they want you to hear and alot of times it's just garbage. As a result, we have arguments from basically two different parties; those who recite what the blazers message contains or those who try and think independently. I would encourage those who take what the blazers say as gospel and try to respect what the independents think because their is value to what they bring.

    For example, I have worked with a lot of Doctors and because they are considered an authority when it comes to medical, I have to take what they say as gospel and respect them. I have zero problems reciting what they say because they are well respected in always doing whats right. When it comes to the blazers, they are not an authority nor well respected because they only give out information that is self serving to them. I hope people can see the difference here.

    I am not trying to be a troll as this is my opinion and I am giving credit to both sides while also trying to put it in perspective. The blazers are starting to fire-up the excuse machine. I forgot who I heard this from but their is two things that sell in the NBA; you're either selling hope or you're selling championships. With the blazers 0-14 in getting to the second round of the playoffs in the last 14 years, they are clearly selling hope right now.
     
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    Right now, the team is banking on faith, selling hope, and hoping for charity.
     
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    Batum is taking a lot more of those 33% shots than Lance. Lance knows he can get a better (higher percentage) shot
     
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    In past years, Batum's shooting percentages make him rank high in stats like TS% and even PER, but ranking high in all 3 shot types is deceptive when you take too many of some and too few of others.
     
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    Stephenson is a much better defender and while both are still you I would rather have Stephenson
     
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    When did Nic say he was the 2nd-best SF? Is that like you saying that Olshey regrets not getting more help at the deadline last year, when he actually said the opposite, because he wanted flexibility last summer to improve the bench? :dunno:
     

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