Huh? The point is that hatred exists. The reasons for it are irrelevant to me. I don't anyone to get beat up, for any reason. I thought that was evident. I'm happy for Jason Collins. If he wants to perpetuate the Matthew Shepard Myth and sell a lie (and jerseys), that's OK. It's sad Shepard died, but it wasn't because he was gay. If Collins says that, I'm fine with it. If not, he's exploiting the memory of Matthew Shepard for financial gain.
The book that is debunked is by the producer of the 20/20 segment. The police interviewed did not believe there was any drug related motive. And when do you hear about brutal torture and murder of white men like this? There sure are lots of meth users, but you don't hear about lots of them committing these kinds of violent acts.
The prosecutor believes there was no 'hate crime.' Quoting wikipedia may work for a HS sophomore, but not in real life. Matthew Shepard wasn't killed and tortured because he was gay. Not that it really should matter, anyhow, but those exploiting his death for a political purpose disgust me.
Debunked again. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/02/debunking-stephen-jimenezs-effort-to-de-gay-mat/196229 Political purpose? Unbelievable.
You are dismissive without basis. The linked page contains transcripts of the murderers interviewed by the police, where the murderers clearly demonstrated their hate for gays. Denial is not Reason.
Any chance on moving this thread to the OT section? The signing of Collins was obviously a marketing stunt, and really has nothing to do with his basketball skills at this point of his career, especially considering his wearing of #98 to sell jerseys.
i guess i dont get it, words dont effect me, thats probably why i make a good security officer. you know how many people call me a fat pig on a daily basis at work? you know how many times i've tried to keep a straight face and failed from laughing? you know what drunk white inmates like to yell at my black coworkers? it doesnt effect them at all. words only have power if you let them. thats why i dont get the banning of people on forums for "personal attacks", what they say just doesnt matter enough. the whole anti bullying campaign is here because the coddle generation doesnt know how to lose. if someone wants to start an argument and you are scared or disinterested it's quite simple to let them win and walk away, but pride often gets in the way since generation coddle has been trained to always win and get a ribbon. physical violence is another monster, but is easily solved with firearm and self defense training. if your daughter is attacked physically and fears for her life because of who she is id have no problem with her drawing a firearm or can of mace for protection. assuming she is not provoking an attack by getting involved in an argument the use of an equalizer should be lawful and acceptable.
As someone who works as a security officer, I'm surprised to learn you're not familiar with the concepts of mob violence or inciting a riot. Hateful, angry words can led to escalation. The backing of an angry mob can lead to an enhanced sense of bravery and a decreased sense of accountability that often leads to violent confrontations. A bully, egged on by 4 or 5 of his peers is much more likely to throw a punch than one person acting alone. When one person starts shouting hateful slurs, it encourages others to join in the "fun". Words alone don't cause physical pain, but are often a precursor to physical violence. She was a 16-year old high school junior at the time. Guns are not allowed on campus. She didn't provoke anything. She was just walking through the campus, on a paved path on her way home from school - taking the same route she did every day, not speaking to anyone. It started with verbal insults, taunting and gay slurs and escalated to physical violence. I had typed a much longer, detail description of the attack, but decided not to post it out of respect for my daughter. She still doesn't like to talk about the attack. And honestly, it still makes me angry when I think about it. So, I'll leave out the details. So yeah, words can be hurtful. They can lead to escalation when allowed to go unchecked and egged on by others. My daughter did nothing wrong, nothing to deserve this attack. She was just walking home from school minding her own business. BNM
+1. And if anyone believes that demographic that bought these jerseys is an even cross section of the American public then . . .
I sympathize for your daughter's experience but Jason Collins has nothing to do with it and is not going to end that sort of behavior. In other parts of the world Christians are beheaded for their beliefs, Tebow didn't change that either. Your situation is a perfect example why gun laws should be more lax
I disagree. This isn't "other parts of the world". This is right here in the USA in Portland, OR. That's where my daughter was assaulted for being gay and that's where Jason Collins played last night and where he was interviewed by the local media. His status as a gay professional athlete raises awareness and that's a good thing. BTW, the kid that assaulted any daughter was an athlete, a jock. Maybe once more professional athletes follow in Collins' (and Michael Sam's) footsteps, the kids that idolize them will stop thinking it's OK to beat someone up just because they are gay. Yeah, I know a lot of kids don't "idolize" a scrub like Jason Collins (and least not for his on court play), but again, somebody had to be first. Eventually, we will actually start seeing star athletes in their prime being openly gay and this will no longer be an issue. Again, that's the stepping stone comment I made previously. We're not there yet, but this is a step in the right direction. BNM
I'm pretty sure everyone is aware homosexuality exists. Raising awareness is like walking for cancer awareness. Everyone knows cancer exists, perhaps walking in circles helps you cope but cancer is still there and it hasn't been cured by pink ribbons and walks. People are inherently evil and stupid jocks are always going to find someone to pick on. That sort of behavior is why ill home school my kids if I ever have any.
I just think there's a double standard and agenda being pushed. I gave a ride to a lesbian to the hospital once and she started talking about how the cross on top of the hospital was hurtful because Christians hate gays. I told her I'm a Christian and I obviously don't hate her if I took time out of my day and used gas to give her a ride. I get tired of the media portraying certain demographics of people like they do. Everyone is a martyr these days it just gets old.
Read the section after, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina_as_divine_retribution#Sexual_immorality_and_abortion
That's kind of my point, the media runs with stories of nut jobs like these. Not sure when the last time I read a news article on how our church collects food and distributes it amongst the community at no charge, don't even ask for identification, the rule is if you're hungry, come eat. On the same hand I know there are plenty of sane gay people who don't latch onto the over hyped media crap like Collins.
No idea I don't pay attention to morons. The bible Clearly tells me to stay away from false doctrines not supported with scripture. Read the words of Jesus and he rebukes the wolves in sheep's clothing. The people who claim they know him but are lining their pockets. However he invites the sinner to come to him and rest at his feet, to eat at his table. All have sinned, not just a homosexual. You don't have to clean yourself up first, he even washed peters feet for him. That's the real gospel, not hate mongering crap with political agendas
