<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Oct 28 2006, 02:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>what worries me is the fence is only 700 miles long, while the border is about 2,000 miles long.</div> But having the fence there will probably free up some of the border patrol to work other areas.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1331 @ Oct 27 2006, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My point is that it won?t work. This country offers a better life for many of our South American neighbors. As long as they can find work here, and can give their children the hope of a better life they will continue to come here, a fence will not stop them. What?s wrong with going to school with kids named Pablo, Juan and Jose?</div> It won't solve the problem, but it's better than nothing and will help the problem. Securing the border is so important and I'm glad we are finally taking steps to improve the situation.
1331, the point isn't that we're trying to stop all immigration so they can't get in and have a chance to make a better life, it's that we're trying to stop the illegality of it. We'll take them, just not illegally. I don't see what's hard to understand.
The illegality of immigration is an asinine argument, because the people doing the immigrating could care less about that. When the reward outweighs the risk, or the odds of being caught, people are going to continue to break the law. So talking about the legality of it won?t fix it. It just won?t work.Speeding is against the law, yet many continue to speed. The risk of getting caught is low and the risk is tolerable. Marijuana is illegal, yet many are blazing tonight. The risk of getting caught is low and the risk is tolerable. I could go on and on with examples. I save us the time and hope you see my point. Even a 2000 mile fence won?t work, people will find a way to get here. And a 700 mile fence on a 2000 mile border? I mean I know our president is a f*cking boob but fencing 35% of the border? Holy sh*t. Remember when Bush said if we had a withdrawal date from Iraq the terrorist would know they only had to outlast us by one day and they would win. Isn?t building a 700 mile fence kinda like telling the migrants that they only need to travel 701 miles? That makes absolutely no sense. If we want to use the law to stop illegal immigration, why not hammer the sh*t out of the people who hire these folks? They are the real criminals in the immigration battle. If our less fortunate neighbors to the south have no reason to come here, THEY?LL STOP COMING!!!!A fence won?t work.
A fence is only a step in the final solution to the problem. yes they will continue to come, but by making it harder it will alleaviate some of the problem. I do agree that the government needs to crack down on companies who hire illegals. I also think that illegal aliens should get no government assistance at all, and this country needs to make it illegal for them to hire aliens.
What should we do with the 12 million illegal?s already here? Deporting them isn't really feasible. Amnesty is the only real option.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1331 @ Oct 28 2006, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What should we do with the 12 million illegal?s already here? Deporting them isn't really feasible. Amnesty is the only real option.</div>No, we just leave them. If they're caught, good, if not, good for them. Let them live in fear that they could be caught at any moment for breaking our law. Slowly that 12 million number will go down.
Leave the ones here, but do not give them amnesty. have something were they need to register for being undocumented, they are assigned a tax ID number, and than from there they can go about getting citizenship. the ones who fail to register are deported and barred from ever becoming US citizens. those who register by lie should have the same fate.
God, why do you people blame every single thing on Bush. Other people were behind the bill as well. You have no idea what the logistics of making this happen would be. Please stop acting like you have any experience working in the government, unless you actually do.And if he didn't sign it, everyone would be all, "Oh damn, Bush is such an idiot. Man, I hate that guy. He is such an idiot. If I were President, I wouldn't be such an idiot!" We get it already. He's an idiot. Now please shut the hell up already.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Oct 29 2006, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>God, why do you people blame every single thing on Bush.</div>Doesn't the buck stop somewhere? I mean he is 'only' the President.
It's a good thing. I blame him in a good way. Granted he only just now finally got around to it because mid-terms are coming up... but, it's a start.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1331 @ Oct 29 2006, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Doesn't the buck stop somewhere? I mean he is 'only' the President.</div>I'm sorry, but are you seriously suggesting that he is an idiot because he signed a bill that hundreds of people in congress approved? Or is he an idiot for not requesting to add hundreds of miles to a fence that is already underfunded? Please, enlighten me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Oct 29 2006, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry, but are you seriously suggesting that he is an idiot because he signed a bill that hundreds of people in congress approved? Or is he an idiot for not requesting to add hundreds of miles to a fence that is already underfunded? Please, enlighten me.</div>You said ?why do you people blame every single thing on Bush?? I simply pointed out that the man is the president and with that title comes some responsibility. He did sign a bill for a fence that covers less than half of the border, and only did it now because it's a wedge issue during an election year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Oct 27 2006, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mexicans get such discrimination... it's like blacks back then.</div><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">I have yet to see a white foot get stuck in a Mexican's ass. When that happens, we can talk.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1331 @ Oct 29 2006, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You said ?why do you people blame every single thing on Bush?? I simply pointed out that the man is the president and with that title comes some responsibility. He did sign a bill for a fence that covers less than half of the border, and only did it now because it's a wedge issue during an election year.</div>Yes, some responsibility. There's a difference between blaming Iraq on Bush or blaming the economy on Bush and calling someone stupid for going along with HUNDREDS of people on an issue. If someone had made a comment about the Republican party, it would have at least been sensible to some extent. It's not an election year for him, but it is for the hundreds of people that voted on the bill. You see how logical thoughts can be connected to form sensible points in a debate?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Mexicans get such discrimination... it's like blacks back then.</div>This isn't about race. its about money. Illegal immigrants work but don't pay taxes. if every illegal in this country paid taxes the government wouldn't care nearly as much.All Bush did was sign the bill which allows for the building of the fence. Congress actually made the law. Bush could have vetoed the bill, but it likely would have re-passed with the needed 2/3rds vote and became a law anyway.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Oct 30 2006, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's not an election year for him, but it is for the hundreds of people that voted on the bill.</div>Of course it?s an election year for him. Not directly of course, but no one in DC has more at stake in this election than dubya and his criminal administration. So I hope you?re not implying that he and his party weren?t motivated by the looming election. They had to find an issue to use, they discovered that boys marrying boys isn?t as compelling as it was two years ago.And yes this fence is stupid and it is his fault. He could have demanded a more sensible immigration plan from the legislative branch, but instead he settled to fence 35% of the border. Like I said now the illegals know they can go 701 miles and they make it. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Oct 30 2006, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You see how logical thoughts can be connected to form sensible points in a debate?</div>Indeed I do.Indeed eye dew.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1331 @ Oct 30 2006, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So I hope you?re not implying that he and his party weren?t motivated by the looming election.</div>Uh, if you had actually read what I said, I was implying exactly that his party was motivated by the looming election. You however made it seem like it was only him and not a group made up of thousands of people. I really can't understand how I can be any more clear about this. It's not like Bush comes up with his own plan, tells all these people what to do, and they do it. If he's such an idiot, then how does he mastermind these ridiculous plans. (Hint: he doesn't)Anyway, another thing that is irritating about it is that it's just cliche. No President works independently. It's just moronic to act like he does. I'm not defending him, but no, he didn't make weed illegal, he didn't make gay marriage illegal anywhere, he didn't cause hurricane Katrina, he didn't create the pledge of allegiance, and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD he didn't mastermind 9/11. I'm not saying you are saying that, but many people on this forum seem to have that impression. And it's not only blatently ludicrous, it hurts your argument to associate yourself with someone who is of that opinion. It's along the lines of saying you don't get the Bible so Christianity is stupid. It's not like anyone is going to hop on board to your argument because you say it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Oct 30 2006, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's not like Bush comes up with his own plan, tells all these people what to do, and they do it. If he's such an idiot, then how does he mastermind these ridiculous plans. (Hint: he doesn't)</div>Of course he doesn't come up with the plan. That's Rove and Melhman's job.
